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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 1, 2016 12:07:11 GMT
I got a few forge burners off of E Bay thought I would tell you what I thought of them. The first one I didn't get off E Bay it's a home make EZ reil's type burner I made myself I have been using this type of burner for a long time so it's my base line burner. With this burner at 10psi I was able to hit 1924 degrees, at 15psi it got to 2010. It will hit welding tempt at 20psi. The next one is from Mathews I am not impressed with this burner at all. The flare on it has on taper at all. Here it took apart just a 1/4in coupling with a mig tip in one end and before I changed it a 3/8in flare gas fitting in the other end. The coupling is held in the burner tube by a set screw. I changed it over to 1/4in fitting it what my regulars are set up to use and a shut valve. No matter what I did it will not run below 20psi, it will only go to 1821 degrees. Maybe with a bigger polite hole it would do better. With shipping this burner was $69.95. I would not get this burner.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Oct 1, 2016 22:48:04 GMT
That burner from Mathews looks like a less than stellar take on a mickey burner. I don't think the air intake slots are long enough to let in sufficient air. The gas fitting looks like it may be too far back to create a venture at the openings to draw in air as well, though it's hard to say from the pictures. You could probably get it to work better by extending the air intakes further along the tube, adding a longer choke sleeve to match, and putting the mig tip on the end of a longer tube. Of course at that point you may as well just build your own from scratch, which would defeat the purpose of getting a cheap one already made.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 1, 2016 23:05:01 GMT
I'm mainly testing these as a service to let people know works and what doesn't. I could modify it and make it work right. Yes the polite tip is way back behind the holes I would put it in front of the holes. I will be selling it later at a cheap price, then the next person can fool with it.
One of these days I might start building and selling forge burners.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 1, 2016 23:06:48 GMT
This one is more in the style of a mongo burner. A mickey burner has long slots.
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Post by chrisperoni on Oct 2, 2016 0:59:15 GMT
Been waiting for this thread for a while now. Based in what I could get at the hardware stores I'll be trying my hand at making the matthews/mickey style. If it doesn't work for me I'll spend the extra money to order the parts for the ez reils type. I am going by the guide on this youtube video by David hammer www.youtube.com/shared?ci=bWt2iSWn_0s
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 2, 2016 12:31:46 GMT
Well I got the forge burner backwards the first one is a Goede. This one is the Matthews. This one is not a good burner either even running at 20psi it would only hit 1825, at 10psi it would only do 1620. Also you could smell unburned propane coming out through the air intake hole. The jet it too far back cause raw gas to come through the holes. The problem can be fixed by longer burner tube. I might try to fix this one at least it will light easy and it has a proper flare. But I would tell people not to buy it as it is. With shipping it came to $60.00 This is what the burner assembly looks like. The polite jet is just brass cap with a hole drilled in it. I will but in a longer burner tube and use a mig 35 tweco tip. A couple of sit screws hole the burner assembly in the burner tube.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 13:21:01 GMT
Thanks for doing this testing Driggers. I know it sounds silly, but I didn't realize how much of an impact the burner had on the capabilities of the forge. That might explain why I can't get anything above orange heat in my Atlas. If you ever decided to build burners, I'd buy one
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 2, 2016 13:53:19 GMT
I got one of the larger Atlas burner too, it will be awhile before I test it can't change out the fitting to 1/4in. have to get a 3/8in hose to test it. Not sure if I want to spend the money to do it. I can tell you I'm not impressed. No way to control the air intake. From other people I know who have one they aren't impress either. Only gave $45.00 for it but not good deal if it won't do what I need it too. Don't like a burner I can't take a part easily too. Some time the polite hold does stop up.
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Post by chrisperoni on Oct 2, 2016 15:14:43 GMT
With these burners it sounds like a big drawback is the cost. I know I spent under 10 bucks for the burner parts that I bought
So the reducer bell makes a big difference in helping the gas and air mixture I guess. Sounds like the holes in the burner tube might not be enough and the tube might be to narrow, to get a good mix
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 2, 2016 16:48:02 GMT
Yes the bell reducer makes a big difference in the way the burner will burn. With the air flow opened more they roar like a jet engine. The choke controls the air flow. The size of the jet polite has a lot to do with everything two.
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Post by Croccifixio on Oct 3, 2016 6:40:59 GMT
A bit off-topic, but have you ever made a charcoal forge before? And if so, what construction/type do you think would be best for blades above 20 inches?
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 3, 2016 7:07:42 GMT
Ever have did a charcoal forge. Started one using a big brake drum off a old 2 1/2ton truck ever finished it. One of these days I will finish it. You don't need a very long forge to do swords, you can only work on a few inches at a time. I used a gas forge that only heats up about 10 to 12 inches.
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Post by Mikeeman on Oct 3, 2016 17:36:33 GMT
PILOT, Driggers. PILOT. Lol.
I saw that you mentioned the Atlas burner. Bennet, I had the same problem for a while. I had to readjust the burner to a different spot. I have the same forge you have, and I can get up to welding temps.
The Atlas burners are not super outstanding burners. They get the job done, but that's about it. HOWEVER, they are a slap-in-and-go with no hassle burner. So while they aren't as efficient as others on the market, it's not hard to order a burner that just works out of the box for $70 shipped with regulator.
I just ordered the 1/2" "shorty" burner to replace mine, and a T-Rex burner for a larger forge I'm going to build. I expect BIG improvements over the Atlas burner.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 4, 2016 3:13:47 GMT
Are you going to use the shorty in the Atlas forge, if so it might be too much for it. The T rex does well for a forge maded out of a 20lb propane tank.
Yes you make be able to get to welding temps with a Atlas burner but you will have to rn it at real high pressure to do it. Also you can't control the oxzgen to gas air flow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 10:44:10 GMT
I saw that you mentioned the Atlas burner. Bennet, I had the same problem for a while. I had to readjust the burner to a different spot. I have the same forge you have, and I can get up to welding temps. What do you mean by adjusting the burner? Did you make a new port for it? I haven't been able to get up to welding temp. I'm thinking of swapping out the burner, but I have no knowledge of it whatsoever
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 4, 2016 15:16:42 GMT
What do you mean you have the same forge I do, did you make your own out of a freon tank too. Yes the atlas burner might hit welding tempts but at what psi do you have to run it. Like I said the Atlas can't be adjusted for air flow either.
I haven't tested it yet, it will be coming up soon but the Devi's forge burner is a copy of the T Rex and alot cheaper.
I will post the results of the JT 1 burner tomorrow morning. Lets just say it does work well.
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Post by Mikeeman on Oct 4, 2016 15:49:50 GMT
I was talking to Bennet. He has the Mini Atlas like me. You're right. It has to be ran at full throttle, but it'll weld. Like I said, not great but it's cheap and it works.
And to Bennet, it comes with some instructions on where to set the burner in the holder. You have to set it back 1/4" from the inner lining of the forge, I think. I don't remember exactly what it said, but it's something like that. You don't adjust the burner, it's self.
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Post by Mikeeman on Oct 4, 2016 16:01:34 GMT
Are you going to use the shorty in the Atlas forge, if so it might be too much for it. The T rex does well for a forge maded out of a 20lb propane tank. Yes you make be able to get to welding temps with a Atlas burner but you will have to rn it at real high pressure to do it. Also you can't control the oxzgen to gas air flow. I talked with Jrod from the people who make them and that's the one he said would work best for it. He also said I'd probably never need to run it above 10 PSI because that's all I'd ever need. According to him, I'm going to run way hotter and use far less fuel with the shorty.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 4, 2016 17:20:26 GMT
Ok if you talked to Jrod I did the same thing with I got my shorty and in burner. Think you will like them.
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Post by Mikeeman on Oct 4, 2016 17:30:35 GMT
I expect to be very pleased. I've never heard anything bad about them.
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