Ifrit
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Post by Ifrit on Oct 25, 2016 13:08:30 GMT
I don't think poor ammunition should be a worry. If you don't have enough of your own already, then stock up. Practically all factory ammunition is good or good enough, although it will be easy enough to find someone who says otherwise, especially if they happen to be selling it. In your bleak future scenario, you shouldn't count of ever finding more ammunition. In any event, assuming you aren't expecting to be in combat (in which case you won't have nearly enough), a few hundred rounds of pistol ammunition should be enough. I still have ammunition I bought when I was in college--at $5 a box! If you live somewhere there are brown bears, you should probably already have a rifle or shotgun. Woah. I didn't expect ammunition to be so affordable. How much does a good semi auto cost?
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 25, 2016 13:55:28 GMT
It isn't that was a lot of years ago, 30 years or more. Since you are a beginner stick with a revolver.
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Post by bluetrain on Oct 25, 2016 14:22:00 GMT
I was speaking of 1971, when I bought my first new handgun, having owned three used ones previously. I bought a Browning Hi-Power and it cost just a little over $100 and it was awfully hard paying for it.
Nowadays, a box of 9mm ammunition (FMJ) is between ten and fifteen dollars but a Browning Hi-Power is probably over $800. It's had to find a good 9mm for less than $350 for better known brands and well above $500 for the likes of Walther.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Oct 25, 2016 16:09:19 GMT
You got a Hi Power for $100.00 must have been a well used one.
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Post by bluetrain on Oct 25, 2016 18:06:07 GMT
No, brand new. That was 1971, forty-five years ago. They came in a black zippered pouch, no box.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 19:13:56 GMT
You can get reliable weapons from Pakistan that are custom made and quite cheap considering the value they stand at, maybe $1000 for a VERY decked out weapon. Could go for more if you are too specific and need the absolute best and get items imported to them legally (through not-so-legal passages). But a nice good revolver, built nicely like a python with simple finishes and available materials (which are quite good too) can be bought for $200-$300 ranges. But you need to have sources and stuff to export them. The same could be gotten from India, Afghanistan and most importantly from (unbelievably) Iceland.
Anyways, I was hearing a lot about these new minimal organic revolvers a while ago. Any ideas on them? I haven't seen one in person ever. They are said to be low recoil, excellent power, and good accuracy and range. The were also sci-fi cool looking. That made it look like a scam to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 19:19:49 GMT
I think they were named Rhino or Hippopotamus? Rhino seems more right...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 19:25:43 GMT
There were new designs shown in the 2016 SHOT show. Personal favs which I would like to try out: Browning BuckMark Plus Rosewood UDX Redesigned Taurus with Wings Glock 17/19 MOS KRISS Vector Gen II SDP Kriss Vector Handguns Dan Wesson Bruin – 10mm Longslide Inland M1 Advisor Pistol
None were revolvers and there are others but can't exactly remeber. I took the names off a site. There were long guns like that AK-Alpha and the Kriss and especially the Hatsan Big Bore Carnivore – .30 Cal Break Barrel Airgun
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 19:29:40 GMT
Kimber K6's too.
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Post by wvfishguy on Apr 14, 2017 21:47:45 GMT
Funny how I've never commented on firearms. I think of this site as a swords, etc. site. Anyway, I've been shooting and reloading ammo for 40+ years. My wife (her favorite gun is a Python) and I collect pre-1975 wheelguns. We have Colts, S&W's, Dan Wesson, Rugers, AKs, shotguns, semi-autos pistols, etc. Although I like Colt and S&W revolvers, I've found over the years the only revolver I fully trust is the Ruger GP 100. Others can (will) go "out of time," meaning the cylinder will go slightly sideways in the frame. This can lock a revolver up. I've had to have several revolvers repaired for this - and it was not my fault. The new Rugers lock in the FRONT of the cylinder which makes if hard to go out of time. Dan Wesson revolvers lock in front as well. I now actually trust new semi-autos more than revolvers. My bedroom gun is ahttps://sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/post/new/49032 Springfield XDm in .40 S&W (Guys my age have a tough time trusting the 9mm.). This gives me 16 rounds of .40 with each magazine; I keep 6 full mags available. I've never heard anyone say, "Damn! I wish I had less ammo!"
I guess I should start posting some photos of our collection.
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Post by Verity on Apr 14, 2017 23:22:13 GMT
If you're only ever going to own one revolver. .357 magnum all the way. A good S&W or Ruger GP100.
I own a Dan Wesson 15-2, which has interchangeable barrels. I've a 6" and a 2.5"
if you plan to own more then it can vary. I personally prefer semi-autos but when I am hiking and need something for bears... I bring the .357 on the 6" barrel with 125gr soft points.
Should stop about anything in my area
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Post by 1776 on Apr 15, 2017 2:57:17 GMT
Funny how I've never commented on firearms. I think of this site as a swords, etc. site. Anyway, I've been shooting and reloading ammo for 40+ years. My wife (her favorite gun is a Python) and I collect pre-1975 wheelguns. We have Colts, S&W's, Dan Wesson, Rugers, AKs, shotguns, semi-autos pistols, etc. Although I like Colt and S&W revolvers, I've found over the years the only revolver I fully trust is the Ruger GP 100. Others can (will) go "out of time," meaning the cylinder will go slightly sideways in the frame. This can lock a revolver up. I've had to have several revolvers repaired for this - and it was not my fault. The new Rugers lock in the FRONT of the cylinder which makes if hard to go out of time. Dan Wesson revolvers lock in front as well. I now actually trust new semi-autos more than revolvers. My bedroom gun is ahttps://sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/post/new/49032 Springfield XDm in .40 S&W (Guys my age have a tough time trusting the 9mm.). This gives me 16 rounds of .40 with each magazine; I keep 6 full mags available. I've never heard anyone say, "Damn! I wish I had less ammo!" I guess I should start posting some photos of our collection. I second the Ruger revolvers. You can't go wrong with ANY Ruger product. They are top notch all the way.
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Post by 1776 on Apr 15, 2017 3:05:16 GMT
if you plan to own more then it can vary. I personally prefer semi-autos but when I am hiking and need something for bears... I bring the .357 on the 6" barrel with 125gr soft points. Should stop about anything in my area For bears? I don't mean to be a hard nose, but we are talking about your life, so I'll give you a tip. Don't put soft nose bullets in that gun for bears. You want hard cast, solid nosed bullets. The locals in Alaska USA used to pack solid brass bullets in their guns. Those are harder then lead. Don't make the mistake of thinking you need the same ammo for humans and animals. They both require different ammo. Hollow points for humans, solid hard cast bullets for animals. I would say you should have a look at some Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman loads. They are a very good company. Like I said, don't mean to call you on the carpet, just don't want you to be using the wrong ammo in your gun.
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Post by Verity on Apr 15, 2017 3:16:39 GMT
Nah. Is all good. Note our bears are the small black variety not grizzlies or polar. Ours are 350-400lb at most
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Post by 1776 on Apr 15, 2017 4:13:36 GMT
Nah. Is all good. Note our bears are the small black variety not grizzlies or polar. Ours are 350-400lb at most Glad you understand. Some guys just... Still, even with Blacks, I think you should take a look at getting some hard cast bullets. Better safe then sorry, as the saying goes. Thats still 400lbs of angry bear if it happens.
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Post by wvfishguy on Apr 15, 2017 4:46:56 GMT
If you're only ever going to own one revolver. .357 magnum all the way. A good S&W or Ruger GP100. I own a Dan Wesson 15-2, which has interchangeable barrels. I've a 6" and a 2.5" if you plan to own more then it can vary. I personally prefer semi-autos but when I am hiking and need something for bears... I bring the .357 on the 6" barrel with 125gr soft points. Should stop about anything in my area I have the 615-2, the stainless 15-2. Great gun - I bought it new in 1976. However - a 125-grain 357. soft point for bears is suicide. Sorry. That round won't even make it under the skin of even a 200 lbs. bruin - you'll just make him mad. They are like a fur rug wrapped around concrete. I repeat - 125 softs WILL GET YOU KILLED. Been loading bullets for 40+ years, know what I'm talking about. If I think bears might be around, I load 186-grain solid cast bullets for .357, and even that's asking a boy to do a man's job. A .44 or .41 magnum is the minimum. To tell the truth, though, out of all the handguns I've shot and owned (several dozen) the Ruger GP100 is my favorite. If I only had one gun, it would be the GP-100. You can load anything from 110 grain hollowpoints to 200 grain solids which conceivably can take on anything from woodchucks to black bears, and (hopefully) even discourage a brown bear (at close range) from eating you. And you'd be surprised how fast you can reload with speedloaders. The GP-100 is, IMHO, the best survival gun. And I've had a lot of guns.
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Post by Verity on Apr 15, 2017 15:37:44 GMT
Still have not gotten a GP-100 but is definitely on my list. One of the most beautiful .357s out there too.. :)
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Post by Verity on Apr 15, 2017 15:38:14 GMT
And thanks for the tip on the hiking load. Will look into hard cast. Thanks guys.
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Post by wvfishguy on Apr 15, 2017 21:12:58 GMT
Verity, since you have a Dan Wesson 15-2, you don't need to hurry with the Ruger. DW's also lock in front, and the locking barrel system is the strongest of all revolvers. I saw a photo of a Dan Wesson barrel cut in half to expose six stuck slugs! Those were probably squib loads, but it would have destroyed most guns. I prefer the Dan Wesson trigger over any other (including my wife's Colt Python) and it's possibly the most accurate six gun out there (again, because of the barrel system).
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Post by Verity on Apr 15, 2017 23:55:16 GMT
Verity, since you have a Dan Wesson 15-2, you don't need to hurry with the Ruger. DW's also lock in front, and the locking barrel system is the strongest of all revolvers. I saw a photo of a Dan Wesson barrel cut in half to expose six stuck slugs! Those were probably squib loads, but it would have destroyed most guns. I prefer the Dan Wesson trigger over any other (including my wife's Colt Python) and it's possibly the most accurate six gun out there (again, because of the barrel system). I do love it. I do need to get it serviced though. Has enough rounds through it a couple of springs are wearing out I think.
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