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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 22, 2016 16:39:45 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Oct 22, 2016 20:36:45 GMT
yep...Andi's right! No tele-batons, no tonfa, no taser, no nunchuck, no pepper-spray (its only allowed against animals - if used against humans: see knife defense...)! And unarmed combat...ha! A friend of mine used his Muay Thai skills some 10-12 years ago to beat and kick the crap out of two jerks attacking him...well i dont remember the exact sum but he was confined to a quite hight "money punishment" and later the two guys' lawyers chased him to pay them attackers...thats Germany, ffolkes... Sounds like Canada. Luckily, the type of guys over here who would go against the law and attack you with a knife are, thankfully, too prideful to go to the cops for help. So while everything is against the law, there is a bit of an "underground battle club" in middle area Canada. If I use pepper spray against a construction working MMA loving jock, naturally he will go cry to the police. If I get in a knife fight with another sort of person, he won't even go to the hospital for his wounds unless it's an abdominal stab
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Post by Ifrit on Oct 22, 2016 20:39:54 GMT
I have had to defend myself about 5-6 times in my life, not counting my more 'professional' work. 2 times when I was 14, once when I was 16 and in Thailand, and two more times in Pakistan at 17 and 19( this year ). Have had my share of improvised weapons, knives, batons and even a gun once... Canada is much like Germany in the sense you aren't allowed to defend yourself. Luckily, most thugs here don't go to the police when they lose, so they created a sort of underground fight club. You break the rules and call the cops, you are looked down heavily. I know a guy who has the most chopped up looking forarms I've ever seen and he's never even been to a hospital. I've also had to defend myself a ton. Especially in my younger years. Things have toned down a lot for me though
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Post by bluetrain on Oct 22, 2016 21:44:34 GMT
I don't know if I'm luckier than anyone else but to some extent, you have to make your own luck. Don't go to bars, don't hang around outside of nightclubs, don't mess with someone else's wife, don't mess with drugs and don't flaunt your wealth, if you have any. Some of that advice comes from the gospels.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 22, 2016 21:52:56 GMT
In Germany you are allowed to defend yourself, you just are not allowed to carry "weapons". If all the guys in Holg's story would have carried weapons, they all would have been dead or seriously injured. The "who attacked whom" story is always questionable.
btw: THE indestructible umbrella??? What's the story/movie? Can't remember, sorry.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 22, 2016 22:09:08 GMT
I don't know if I'm luckier than anyone else but to some extent, you have to make your own luck. Don't go to bars, don't hang around outside of nightclubs, don't mess with someone else's wife, don't mess with drugs and don't flaunt your wealth, if you have any. Some of that advice comes from the gospels. I will not start a religious debate about this with you! In Germany bars are allowed and sometimes you survive a visit there.
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Post by Croccifixio on Oct 23, 2016 0:51:36 GMT
I don't know if I'm luckier than anyone else but to some extent, you have to make your own luck. Don't go to bars, don't hang around outside of nightclubs, don't mess with someone else's wife, don't mess with drugs and don't flaunt your wealth, if you have any. Some of that advice comes from the gospels. Yeah. Well I've followed that througout but still had to fight a few times in my life. One of them was a hold-up situation where I got cut in the hand when I grabbed the knife. This was near a pharmacy when I was in university, buying some food. It can really just about happen to anyone.
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Post by Ifrit on Oct 23, 2016 1:52:24 GMT
I don't know if I'm luckier than anyone else but to some extent, you have to make your own luck. Don't go to bars, don't hang around outside of nightclubs, don't mess with someone else's wife, don't mess with drugs and don't flaunt your wealth, if you have any. Some of that advice comes from the gospels. I never had any wealth to flaunt. So that's one thing I didn't do. I was an idiot when I was younger (a couple years ago). Good thing I finally smartened up my act š
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Post by howler on Oct 23, 2016 6:54:59 GMT
In Germany you are allowed to defend yourself, you just are not allowed to carry "weapons". If all the guys in Holg's story would have carried weapons, they all would have been dead or seriously injured. The "who attacked whom" story is always questionable. btw: THE indestructible umbrella??? What's the story/movie? Can't remember, sorry. Interesting paradox, Andi, as the criminal simply carries weapons anyway (ignoring the law), thus leaving the law abiding citizen at a disadvantage. Weapons carry really isn't a problem in America outside of gang ridden cities with tough weapons laws, yet high homicide/violent crime rates (the paradox). I wish people went after the gang problem rather than inanimate objects (tools).
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 23, 2016 7:04:32 GMT
This sounds paradox I know, but it works. Of course we have crimes up to murder here too, but all seems to be on a lower violence level.
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Post by howler on Oct 23, 2016 7:11:44 GMT
Thats a sad state of affairs..when laws restrict your right to defend yourself they are not just. You have my sympathy. In truth I let my carry license expire years ago. It means nothing to me. heh...here in Germany youre allowed to carry a 12cm fixed knife (single edge, otherwise a forbidden, lethal weapon!) or a 9cm folder (but only if the folder has no opening aid; otherwise its forbidden, lethal weapon!); but man: if you ever DARE to defend yourself with a knife here, ESPECIALLY against un- or blunt-armed attackers (doesnt matter how many, doesnt matter if they had chains or sticks or whatever)...man you gonna go to jail FAR longer than any nazi war criminal... How terrible...that is simply mob rule. Weapons equalize the weak (elderly, infirm, small statured, female, etc...) against the strong. And not taking into consideration that these criminal mobs could have blunt weapons used against you makes me mad. I understand there are certain blade cultures moving into various European cities, so, I wonder how the law will jibe with the changing realities on the ground. An armed society is a polite society.
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Post by howler on Oct 23, 2016 7:21:03 GMT
This sounds paradox I know, but it works. Of course we have crimes up to murder here too, but all seems to be on a lower violence level. The problem with analyzing America is it is so demographically diverse, with so many different regions. A population study of Texas, Utah or Alaska is WILDLY different than Chicago, Detroit, or Baltimore. Take away the gang problem...and there simply IS no problem. We have politicians in DC trying to make policy for the WHOLE country based on the inner city gang problem, yet they don't even talk about GANGS (but the inanimate objects/tools). This makes me crazy. Sadly, Germany may see a demographic change, particularly if immigrant populations refuse to assimilate.
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Post by howler on Oct 23, 2016 7:33:57 GMT
While I love my current "tactical" ginunting that I posted in the first page, this is going to be my target "tactical" purchase for the year Very nice! And @asad that's exactly what it is, a shorter bladed ko katana I'm having made for one purpose: Indoor cqb, to be kept at my bedside near my pistol. š While this is both lovely and nasty, I don't know if it would be ko-katana(ish). What is the handle length (though I do suppose you can choke up and two hand if it is big enough). If it is not blade heavy (easy to wield one-handed) you may simply want to use it one handed with something in the other.
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Post by howler on Oct 23, 2016 7:59:53 GMT
Our friend Howler here will be happy to read this. If I remember correctly he once mentioned a 21" ko-katana under his bed! Yes, a specialized cutter (wider/narrower) Chenese ko-katana (same weight as a regular katana...a tad over 2 1/2lbs). The idea is to strike the bad guy with incapacitating force in one blow coming out from a door, corner, behind something, etc... One must assume the bad guy may have a handgun, heavy leather clothing, people behind him. If you get a straight shot at the bad guy...he's DONE, with the others looking on in horror at the instant meat pile you just created. Maybe I stab the second person after the chop. You get the picture, which isn't pretty if you think about it. Anyway, I have been contemplating other bladed tactics. Rapier/dagger, pole arm, long spear, short spear, lance, longsword, regular katana, cavalry-infantry saber/dagger, machete in one hand and bowie in the other. If I go down, it will be because I had such a large selection, I couldn't make up my mind and was taken out by a cheap Chinese pocket knife. The truly silly thing is, I have a Springfield M1A, Colt AR15 carbine, Mossberg semi and pump shotguns, Glock 22, S&W 8-shot revolver, and more, so what am I doing fetishizing over arkaine bladed implements of destruction (including around thirty or so large bladed knives and heavy machete)? In short, I am a raving lunatic who is turning into a sharp, spiked version of Gollum. MY PRECIOUS!
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 23, 2016 8:07:36 GMT
You could mount your ko-katana on a longer rifle like a bajonet, this would also be a pole weapon, some kind of naginata! That would be a tactical sword like no other.
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Post by howler on Oct 23, 2016 8:17:03 GMT
Our friend Howler here will be happy to read this. If I remember correctly he once mentioned a 21" ko-katana under his bed! He's the one that got me thinking about it. Hard to swing a full sized katana in my small house, especially in the hallways. But a two handed ko katana with an 18" blade, that's another story. I figure its worth the investment, and Wes has some fine work displayed in this forum. Yup, whatever you do, take into consideration your environment, which, for most, includes ceilings, furniture, doors, halls, etc...when talking indoor places. You can still use longer stuff, but if the longer tools are designed mainly for chopping, you will have to use differently than when in an open space, like choking up, half swording, leaning and bending in such a way as to not scrape walls and ceilings. Ko-katana (Chisa) is simply a Wakazashi with a katana sized handle (or a katana with a Wakazashi blade). Something cheap and effective, look at the Cold Steel Assegai short shaft spear. Simple to use (natural and straight forward) and incredibly effective. The leverage you have on the spear handle, manipulating the spear head for stabbing and slashing attacks is pretty amazing (you could turn a man into mincemeat with it in a damn phone booth).
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Post by howler on Oct 23, 2016 8:24:19 GMT
You could mount your ko-katana on a longer rifle like a bajonet, this would also be a pole weapon, some kind of naginata! That would be a tactical sword like no other. Haha, yeah, you would just want to get a naginata, as the mounting job would be hell. The Chenese weighs 2 1/2lbs, so that would be spear head only, and I think naginata heads (again, I'm clearly no expert on Japanese pole arms) were lighter than that, and they were designed to be on large poles, unlike the ko. Now, you could design a duel use weapon (both naginata and short sword...when you remove the head), but that would be a ground up project. Say, that actually sounds kind of cool.
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Post by Ifrit on Oct 23, 2016 19:33:22 GMT
Our friend Howler here will be happy to read this. If I remember correctly he once mentioned a 21" ko-katana under his bed! Yes, a specialized cutter (wider/narrower) Chenese ko-katana (same weight as a regular katana...a tad over 2 1/2lbs).Ā The idea is to strike the bad guy with incapacitating force in one blow coming out from a door, corner, behind something, etc...Ā One must assume the bad guy may have a handgun, heavy leather clothing, people behind him.Ā If you get a straight shot at the bad guy...he's DONE, with the others looking on in horror at the instant meat pile you just created.Ā Maybe IĀ stab the second person after the chop.Ā You get the picture, which isn't pretty if you think about it.Ā Anyway, I have beenĀ contemplating other bladedĀ tactics.Ā Rapier/dagger, pole arm, long spear, short spear, lance,Ā longsword, regularĀ katana,Ā cavalry-infantry saber/dagger, machete in one hand and bowie in the other.Ā If I go down, it will beĀ because I had such a large selection, I couldn't make up my mind and was taken out by a cheap Chinese pocket knife. Ā The truly silly thing is, I have a Springfield M1A, Colt AR15 carbine, Mossberg semi and pump shotguns, Glock 22, S&W 8-shot revolver, and more, so what am I doing fetishizing over arkaine bladed implements of destruction (including around thirty or so large bladed knives and heavy machete)?Ā In short, I am a raving lunatic who is turning into a sharp, spiked version of Gollum.Ā MY PRECIOUS!Ā I recently invested in a 5000 lumen flashlight with a strobe function. Would be a great way to blind and confuse them, while you are seeing them perfectly
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Post by Ifrit on Oct 23, 2016 19:49:37 GMT
his bad boy is what I use for home defence. It was made from a broken Cheness kaze
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Post by howler on Oct 23, 2016 20:30:40 GMT
his bad boy is what I use for home defence. It was made from a broken Cheness kaze What is the weight of that knife (looks like a tanto), and blade length? I like heavier knives (like a bowie) that you can use as a short sword, that is, you can thrust with the weight of the weapon, rather than having to use your whole body to generate the stabbing energy...THIS IS CRITICAL. Think of a boxer throwing a punch, he sets you up (for the knockout punch) with the jab, then uses his whole body in the punch. With a long heavy bowie you can kill with a quick jab (too quick to avoid). A smaller knife, you need much of your body to generate the stabbing force, thus (slowly) telegraphing your move. Look at James Keatings Riddle of Steel on Bagwell bowies.
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