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Post by Todash on Feb 3, 2016 21:56:55 GMT
If you were going to purchase a gun for the woman in your life (wife, sister, daughter, mother), what would you purchase? This is would be a gun that would be used for home protection. Please list why.
Thanks,
Kimberly
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Post by plainsman on Feb 4, 2016 0:02:11 GMT
Glock 43.
1. Size 2. It's a Glock.
Ideally though, go to a range that rents pistols and shoot as many different ones as you can until you find the one that suits you most.
Best of luck with your purchase.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Feb 4, 2016 0:16:30 GMT
Home protection is very different from concealed carry. The best home protection gun, IMO, is a shotgun. Shotguns are extremely lethal at close range, and are very unlikely to go through walls and hit children, neighbors, or whoever else is in the next room/house.
A woman I know, who is not a large person, had no trouble shooting a 12 gauge pump action for the first time. She held it "pistol style" (right hand on the grip and trigger, left hand on the pump, but without the butt against her shoulder - shooting from the hip), so the recoil didn't affect her. There are a lot of shotguns that are built for just such a shooting style, but it's probably best if you learn to deal with the recoil - you'll be more accurate if you use the standard shooting style.
Not to disagree with plainsman, but a pistol is always going to be less accurate and powerful then a rifle or shotgun. The only thing you want a pistol for is to take it places you couldn't take a rifle or shotgun - such as concealed carrying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 0:18:36 GMT
Springfield 1911 xdm 9mm 1. Good weight, not too bad recoil 2. Great safety features that allow you to know if your gun is loaded and has a round in the chamber, even in the dark
These are great guns. I have several located in different spots around the house, along with other rifles and shotguns
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Post by legacyofthesword on Feb 4, 2016 0:22:34 GMT
Ideally though, go to a range that rents pistols guns and shoot as many different ones as you can until you find the one that suits you most. This. The best gun for you is, surprise surprise, the gun that you can shoot best/feel most comfortable shooting. Don't get too caught up in calibers, models, and ballistics.
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Post by Alexander on Feb 4, 2016 0:40:17 GMT
I would go with a lightweight 357-38spcl revolver. Manipulating a slide can be difficult for smaller hands also larger grips that semi autos can have could be a problem. Most revolvers have a wide selection of after market grips to fit most hand sizes. Revolvers are simple, no safeties and a trigger pull that needs a deliberate pull to fire. The only other thing I would recommend is a laser grip.
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Post by plainsman on Feb 4, 2016 1:28:52 GMT
Home protection is very different from concealed carry. The best home protection gun, IMO, is a shotgun. Shotguns are extremely lethal at close range, and are very unlikely to go through walls and hit children, neighbors, or whoever else is in the next room/house. A woman I know, who is not a large person, had no trouble shooting a 12 gauge pump action for the first time. She held it "pistol style" (right hand on the grip and trigger, left hand on the pump, but without the butt against her shoulder - shooting from the hip), so the recoil didn't affect her. There are a lot of shotguns that are built for just such a shooting style, but it's probably best if you learn to deal with the recoil - you'll be more accurate if you use the standard shooting style. Not to disagree with plainsman, but a pistol is always going to be less accurate and powerful then a rifle or shotgun. The only thing you want a pistol for is to take it places you couldn't take a rifle or shotgun - such as concealed carrying. I absolutely agree with all this. Shotgun is #1 for home protection. But..., Glock 43 I think is a great choice for a first gun for a girl. Reliable, easy to use, quick to grab from the bedside table. Can also be carried concealed. Any gun is useless without training. Taking a Glock to the range to practice is easier than taking a shotgun.
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Post by Elrikk on Feb 4, 2016 1:30:53 GMT
We've been looking at a Springfield Armory XDM .45 Compact, it's a lot of gun for the money and fits soooo good in the hand. Also, the .45 round is not hard to control, it gives you more of a push than a pop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 1:41:01 GMT
We've been looking at a Springfield Armory XDM .45 Compact, it's a lot of gun for the money and fits soooo good in the hand. Also, the .45 round is not hard to control, it gives you more of a push than a pop. Ya gotta love Springfield Armory. They know how to make a good gun. I own both .45 and 9mm versions of both the regular and compact xdm and I love them both. I like the .45 better, but for someone newer to guns, I recommend the 9mm
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Post by Elrikk on Feb 4, 2016 1:45:00 GMT
I guess it depends on the size and experience of the shooter. The 9mm is a good choice if you can take advantage of a large capacity magazine. Here in NJ we are limited to 15 rounds so I always say go bigger on the round if you can't go to 20.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Feb 4, 2016 2:15:14 GMT
Home protection is very different from concealed carry. The best home protection gun, IMO, is a shotgun. Shotguns are extremely lethal at close range, and are very unlikely to go through walls and hit children, neighbors, or whoever else is in the next room/house. A woman I know, who is not a large person, had no trouble shooting a 12 gauge pump action for the first time. She held it "pistol style" (right hand on the grip and trigger, left hand on the pump, but without the butt against her shoulder - shooting from the hip), so the recoil didn't affect her. There are a lot of shotguns that are built for just such a shooting style, but it's probably best if you learn to deal with the recoil - you'll be more accurate if you use the standard shooting style. Not to disagree with plainsman, but a pistol is always going to be less accurate and powerful then a rifle or shotgun. The only thing you want a pistol for is to take it places you couldn't take a rifle or shotgun - such as concealed carrying. Any gun is useless without training. Very true. This is probably one of the most important facts about defending yourself with a gun.
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Post by munk on Feb 4, 2016 3:12:57 GMT
With all else being the same, shoulder-fired guns are easier to shoot accurately when compared to pistols. For example, a beginner will get more shots on target with a 9mm carbine than a 9mm pistol. That being said, I feel compelled to address some common myths about shotguns and home defense. I don't mean to be "that guy", but we're talking about the safety of those who live you with in your home -- it's important to know the truth before you purchase (and use) a shotgun for home defense. Shotguns are not likely to penetrate sheet rock/drywall: FALSE Click here to see the results for yourself. A wide variety of shotgun shell types were tested, and all of them went through multiple layers of sheet rock. Even birdshot went through two layers (representing one wall). You might be saying to yourself "okay, so I'll use birdshot instead of 00 buck"...except the problem is that birdshot doesn't penetrate well enough to be considered an effective self-defense round. Think about it, there is no magical round that will penetrate deeply into a person but not penetrate walls.Shot spreads so you don’t have to aim: FALSEYes, the pellets do spread when fired but the rate at which they spread is not as much as you may think. Buck shot from a standard off the rack 12-gauge spreads at a rate of between one half inch and one full inch per yard. Since we're talking about the inside of a house, you simply do not have enough distance to allow the pellets to spread to some huge size. You still have to aim, and aim well, to hit someone with a shotgun at indoor distances. Just the sound of a shotgun racking will send intruders scurrying away: FALSELook, no intruder that would run from the threat of a shotgun is going to scoff in the face of an AR15 or 9mm pistol. Like normal people, intruders don't want to be shot by anything. To think that racking a shotgun is going to scare off an appreciably higher number of intruders as compared to cocking a rifle/pistol is just silly. All racking your shotgun does is give away your position and queue the intruder to ready his own weapon if he has one.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Feb 4, 2016 4:40:34 GMT
With all else being the same, shoulder-fired guns are easier to shoot accurately when compared to pistols. For example, a beginner will get more shots on target with a 9mm carbine than a 9mm pistol. That being said, I feel compelled to address some common myths about shotguns and home defense. I don't mean to be "that guy", but we're talking about the safety of those who live you with in your home -- it's important to know the truth before you purchase (and use) a shotgun for home defense. Shotguns are not likely to penetrate sheet rock/drywall: FALSE Click here to see the results for yourself. A wide variety of shotgun shell types were tested, and all of them went through multiple layers of sheet rock. Even birdshot went through two layers (representing one wall). You might be saying to yourself "okay, so I'll use birdshot instead of 00 buck"...except the problem is that birdshot doesn't penetrate well enough to be considered an effective self-defense round. Think about it, there is no magical round that will penetrate deeply into a person but not penetrate walls.Shot spreads so you don’t have to aim: FALSEYes, the pellets do spread when fired but the rate at which they spread is not as much as you may think. Buck shot from a standard off the rack 12-gauge spreads at a rate of between one half inch and one full inch per yard. Since we're talking about the inside of a house, you simply do not have enough distance to allow the pellets to spread to some huge size. You still have to aim, and aim well, to hit someone with a shotgun at indoor distances. Just the sound of a shotgun racking will send intruders scurrying away: FALSELook, no intruder that would run from the threat of a shotgun is going to scoff in the face of an AR15 or 9mm pistol. Like normal people, intruders don't want to be shot by anything. To think that racking a shotgun is going to scare off an appreciably higher number of intruders as compared to cocking a rifle/pistol is just silly. All racking your shotgun does is give away your position and queue the intruder to ready his own weapon if he has one. Shotgun shot is still going to travel less then a pistol or rifle bullet. But you bring up a good point that's important to keep in mind. And yes, you still have to aim. And no, relying on the sound of a pump being racked is not a good self defense plan. It may work, but you'd darn well better have a backup plan. The thing is, shotguns are simply one of the most lethal close quarters firearms available, plus, they are simple and easy to use. This makes them one of the best guns you can get for self defense. Look up shotgun vs rifle vs pistol data that shows how many shots it took each gun to stop someone. But the bottom line is, as a few people have already said, the best gun for you is the one you will shoot a lot and shoot well. It's as simple as that.
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Post by Richard Arias on Feb 4, 2016 4:51:16 GMT
If you were going to purchase a gun for the woman in your life (wife, sister, daughter, mother), what would you purchase? This is would be a gun that would be used for home protection. Please list why. Thanks, Kimberly Speaking as An NRA instructor who has taught a few women the basic pistol shooting and the defense inside the home course I believe I can speak directly to your question with 6 women as a reference. Taking them to the range after the basic pistol course (the defense in the home course requires people to own their own pistol) I can tell you that women can shoot anything up to a .50 in my experience. What you have to think about is the worst case (which a home invasion is right up there) in which adrenaline and fear are at work. 4 of the 6 of these women bought the Ruger SP101 (1 girl went hammerless and 3 went hammer) 1 girl whent with a glock 22 gen 3 and the last has a husband in the military so she owns a rock island tactical 3.5in commander model. With the revolver you can have a choice of two ammo types (.38 is a good start and can move to +p or .357 if she feels confident in her groups) I would stick with it because a home defense gun will spend time in a lock box, safe or a drawer somewhere. So bullets sitting in a cylinder can sit for months or years even. Bullets pushing down and compressing a mag spring can cause a risk if you don't swap out the mags every few months. Your lady feeling good about the gun matters she has to like it. But one thing I did with the 6 girls (and anyone who takes my home defense course) I take them in 1 by 1 and have them shoot putting a dummy round somewhere in their cylinder or mag and watch how they handle it. With the revolver girls your natural instinct to pull the trigger again just brought a new cylinder and a non dummy round. With the 2 auto girls even though we covered clearing misfire there was that second of confusion where they both stopped and looked at the gun. If your lady does that during a break in things could be bad. Take your lady to the range and pick out a few styles and let her shoot. Take a standard piece of printer or binder paper and that is what she shoots at. She needs to be able to fire a 2 shot burst (3 is optimal) and have he groups always land on that piece of paper (center mass) through a half box of ammo. With the SP101 that comes to 5 cylinders to practice (5 shot revolvers). I recommend them as truck guns for a few reasons. 1. .38 and .357 offers many ammo options and she can pick exactly how much bang she can handle. 2. Being a Ruger it is solid and simple. 5 shots is more than enough for home defense. And the operation is new user friendly. 3. Street price is about 4-500 depending on where you shop so quality that won't break the bank. 4. Revolvers have a set it and forget it as far as ammo in the gun mags don't unless they are high end. 5. Women I have trained seem to love them. The other 2 women bought the autos liked the 101 but liked higher capacity (the 22 glock) and in the case of the friends wife who has the 1911 she liked the easier trigger for tight groups. Plus her husband thinks that the 1911 is the best gun ever so it might have had some weight in her choice;)
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Feb 4, 2016 5:02:42 GMT
Mossberg 12 gauge with Triple Ought Buck at close range it's like shooting him 8 times with a .32 caliber handgun but all at once. At night with a strobe light to blind him. Don't worry about being kind, he won't.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Feb 4, 2016 5:21:40 GMT
...it's like shooting him 8 times with a .32 caliber handgun but all at once. And that's with only one shot, too. If you have to shoot him multiple times, the math gets even better.
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Post by munk on Feb 4, 2016 6:05:46 GMT
Shotgun shot is still going to travel less then a pistol or rifle bullet. But you bring up a good point that's important to keep in mind. And yes, you still have to aim. And no, relying on the sound of a pump being racked is not a good self defense plan. It may work, but you'd darn well better have a backup plan. The thing is, shotguns are simply one of the most lethal close quarters firearms available, plus, they are simple and easy to use. This makes them one of the best guns you can get for self defense. Look up shotgun vs rifle vs pistol data that shows how many shots it took each gun to stop someone. But the bottom line is, as a few people have already said, the best gun for you is the one you will shoot a lot and shoot well. It's as simple as that. Very true on the penetration points, with perhaps the exception of frangible rounds. Ballistic tipped .223 comes to mind -- those things just explode when they hit something, but I haven't seen any testing on sheet rock so I can't say for sure. I suppose it wouldn't matter though. The lack of penetration which was designed for varmint hunting is a double-edged sword for the same reasons that apply to birdshot. If it's not going through sheet rock, it's not going through bad guys. I had the the rifle vs shotgun debate in my head before deciding on what was right for me. After a year or so of research, I ultimately opted for a suppressed AR-15 SBR, as I felt it had more advantages over a shotgun than disadvantages. The shotgun definitely has more muzzle energy, no question about that, but a 5.56 is more than enough. With a 10.5" barrel, one round produces about 3x that of of a .45 ACP (which is infamous for it's man stopping power) or 6-7x the muzzle energy of a .32 ACP. Plus you get 30 rounds of it, with much lighter recoil, faster/more accurate follow-up shots (if needed) and because of the suppressor it's OSHA hearing safe to boot. p.s. look at the Hexolit 32 round for 12 gauge if you want some serious stopping power. It takes down bears (not for home defense, slug will penetrate several walls).
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Feb 4, 2016 7:55:37 GMT
There are some myths about shotguns,but I still recommend a pump-action .410 shotgun with an 18.5" barrel for a smaller person.. 3" 000 buck shells are plenty potent. It's much harder to miss with a long gun, and the thing makes a decent club to boot. My wife does far better with the .410 than my Glock 26. A woman who intends to train regularly and wants to walk around with a holstered weapon is a different story, but one who has no such intent is better off with the shotgun and a few range sessions.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is to buy a pistol if you want it to become a part of your way of life (training, wardrobe changes, daily attention) and a shotgun if you just want something at home on standby.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Feb 4, 2016 8:17:45 GMT
Like I always say a good starter handgun for anyone, a medium frame 4in barrel double action 38spl/357mag. revolver, Colt Smith and Wession, or Ruger. Stay away for the lightweihgt revolvers, no good reason starting out to put up with the extra recoil they have.
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Post by Todash on Feb 4, 2016 15:09:26 GMT
Thanks guys. You all have given us some things to think about. I hadn't thought of a shot gun. I know chances are I will never have to use the gun for a home invasion, but my husband travels a lot and I'm home with our daughter. I'm taking a course on Home safety and protection at a local gun club here next month. We won't be doing any shooting, but they are going to go over guns. The more information the better.
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