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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 3:11:52 GMT
Got some nice swords lately and will divide them by nationality. This one is about 2 swords from the Kingdom of Bavaria: a hussar model 1813 sabre and a cuirassier pallasch model 1860-90. The 1813 model was carried first by Hussar units during the Nap wars and later given to artillery and ammo regiments. Marked with the markings of regiment M.F.6.49 then reassigned to 1.A.F.4.44 which is Bay. 1. Fussartillerie-Rgt. “vac. Bothmer” (Ingolstadt), 4th Battery, Weapon Nr. 44, the scabbard is marked with the rgt marking 1.A.F.4.36. The scabbard is very similar to the Prussian 1811 Bluchersabel but the mouth were later reinforced with an extra metal cover and the drag has that little nipple shaped bit protruding at its end. It is a very fierce and efficient cutter with good taper (it starts at 10mm to 9mm right away then 5mm and 2mm at point), even better than the 1796 and 1811 counterparts! The 1860 pallasch strikes by its unusual form compared to traditional pallasches: the pommel cap is rounder and the ferrule square in form. The model was later reworked in 1890 to have its 3rd branch removed. The hilt is marked B.1.s.R.1.14. for the 1. Schweres Reiter-Regiment ''Prinz Karl von Bayern''. Despite a shorter than usual 90cm long blade, it is nose heavy and somewhat slow compared to the French and Prussian 1854 swords. Still is a very efficient thrust oriented weapon!
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 28, 2016 6:06:44 GMT
Very, very, very nice. I like to see those small improvements, like the square ferrule with the thumb rest and the improved grip. The 1813 lost the cleaver like blade of the M1796 - M1811. I'll bet it is a joy to wield. Good catch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 0:31:00 GMT
It is quite a superb sword to handle, the point is not hatchet as the 1796 but clipped point. Clearly a favorite of mine!
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Post by Afoo on Jan 29, 2016 3:16:07 GMT
I like the Hussar - nice find. That blade looks downright scary >.>
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 29, 2016 16:19:14 GMT
Agreed. That curved Hussar looks like a beast! Looks like we found the king of the cutters! Zee Germans are Commen!
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Jan 29, 2016 17:09:18 GMT
One thing that would really help me, if I were to dive in and look for one of these...is a rough price. Not exact, but a price range would be useful to help shop or tell the reader it's out of their free pocket money range...
But wow, that 1813 looks to have a very nicely preserved blade!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 22:18:39 GMT
One thing that would really help me, if I were to dive in and look for one of these...is a rough price. Not exact, but a price range would be useful to help shop or tell the reader it's out of their free pocket money range... But wow, that 1813 looks to have a very nicely preserved blade! Good point; based on the current market value and condition a Bavarian 1813 sword might go between 350 to 700USD and a pallasch between 500-1000USD. The main problem with these models is their availability in either eBay or auction companies so it all depends on how lucky you can be when one pops out.
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 30, 2016 4:12:33 GMT
Agreed. I don't think I've ever seen one of these on eBay (my main hunting ground). Antique stores tend to have prices beyond what I'm willing to pay, but with the low Canadian dollar closing off many international sources, they're starting to look more and more attractive.
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Post by Afoo on Mar 1, 2016 6:48:12 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 1, 2016 12:00:12 GMT
Yes, I will be bidding on that one.
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Post by Afoo on Mar 6, 2016 6:09:28 GMT
Yes, I will be bidding on that one. Any success?
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Post by Aikidoka on Jun 7, 2017 23:02:27 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 8, 2017 4:24:30 GMT
Nice looking sabre! Is there a scabbard too? And: Are you going to do a review of it?
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Post by Aikidoka on Jun 9, 2017 22:33:57 GMT
No scabbard. Yes, I will review it and post cutting videos. This saber looks like it will be a beastly cutter! It's just a bit over 2 lbs. 1 cm thick at the base of the spine! Here is the tag that came on the sword. I believe it was from an estate here in the Phoenix area:
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 10, 2017 11:12:54 GMT
Points of interest are ( for me that is...) is the sabre shortened to 82 cm as per degree of 1911 and the grip. I have problems with the grip of the M1826 ( See: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/51232/bavarian-m1826-chevauleger-trooper-officer ) to such an extend that the sabre becomes almost useless. I think I see what might be a slight bulge in the middle of the grip of your sabre. I hope it handles better than the M1826. Cheers.
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Post by Aikidoka on Jun 10, 2017 20:00:16 GMT
Yes, 82 cm blade. I'll let you know how I like the grip once I have cut with it.
EDIT: Does that review state that the M1826 saber weighs 1.097 kg? If so, that is a much heavier sword than this Bavarian 1813 Hussar saber. I'll expand on this more in my review, but I think the M1813 grip is meant to be used with a saber grip (thumb on backstrap) rather than a hammer grip.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 0:13:03 GMT
The crowned king is the Weyersburg family, not Kirschbaum (which is the bust of a knight in armour). When the two families merged, there was a period when both marks were shown together. Then later, as now, WKC simply shows the knight. The Weyersburg family bought the crowned king mark from the Wundes family during the late 18th century.
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Post by Aikidoka on Jun 11, 2017 1:41:05 GMT
The crowned king is the Weyersburg family, not Kirschbaum (which is the bust of a knight in armour). When the two families merged, there was a period when both marks were shown together. Then later, as now, WKC simply shows the knight. The Weyersburg family bought the crowned king mark from the Wundes family during the late 18th century. Thanks! I found this information for the makers mark: This would be for the period after my saber was made. Are you saying it was just Weyersburg before 1883?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 17:26:49 GMT
The crowned king is the Weyersburg family, not Kirschbaum (which is the bust of a knight in armour). When the two families merged, there was a period when both marks were shown together. Then later, as now, WKC simply shows the knight. The Weyersburg family bought the crowned king mark from the Wundes family during the late 18th century. Not really much to add or amend there. If you found the image, no doubt you might have a chance to read the history on the WKC pages. There was overlap when they merged but I bothered to post because the tag is incorrect. The blade was marked to Weyersburg. The crowned king belongs to the Weyersburg family, not WR Kirschbaum.
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Post by Aikidoka on Jun 11, 2017 19:23:53 GMT
Ah, okay. The merger occurred in 1883, so the mark before that belonged to the Weyersburg family. Thanks for the correction. I'll put that in the review.
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