mali
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Post by mali on Oct 9, 2015 20:16:11 GMT
For the vast majority of sword collectors or martial artists, the appreciation of the sword as an object of art, and honing the various techniques and spiritual elevations associated with the martial arts are enough to satisfy us. A small population, however, feels the desire to implement the katana into their daily lives, as they move about publicly. The following is an instructional video which represents how this plays out in reality.
Proper technique invariably requires you to get shot by bean bags and hosed into an ambulance where they medicate you.
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Post by MOK on Oct 9, 2015 21:43:45 GMT
That's not proper technique, that's just criminal stupidity (natural or chemically induced, take your pick).
PS. Talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight...
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Post by zabazagobo on Oct 9, 2015 21:52:30 GMT
Obviously his grip was wrong.
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Post by Afoo on Oct 9, 2015 22:12:33 GMT
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Post by vinland on Oct 9, 2015 22:16:04 GMT
Good thing they used beanbags and water. Had they really been bullets he would have cut them all in half and they wouldn't have even hit him
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Post by Karoliner on Oct 9, 2015 22:46:44 GMT
Just thank God that he didn't get close enough to cut through their gun barrels with that thing.
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Post by MOK on Oct 9, 2015 23:33:20 GMT
Good thing they used beanbags and water. Had they really been bullets he would have cut them all in half and they wouldn't have even hit him I'm pretty sure that's actually been experimented with several times (might have even been on Mythbusters). Unsurprisingly, you can cut bullets just fine, since they're made of soft lead, but all it means is that you get two holes in you instead of one.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 10, 2015 0:29:58 GMT
Good thing they used beanbags and water. Had they really been bullets he would have cut them all in half and they wouldn't have even hit him I'm pretty sure that's actually been experimented with several times (might have even been on Mythbusters). Unsurprisingly, you can cut bullets just fine, since they're made of soft lead, but all it means is that you get two holes in you instead of one. :D Mythbusters did it at one point years ago as did our own Shooter Mike, with his Hanwei Banshee, and Skallagrim did it, as well, with his Zombie Tools Reaver Cleaver. As for getting two holes in you instead of one, it all depends on the distance from the body at which the bullet is split; most tests have the blade a few inches or so from the backstop so the bullet fragments of course hit fairly close together. I'd be interested in seeing the results when the blade is two or even three feet away from the backstop.
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 10, 2015 0:34:09 GMT
I would think the impact would also knock your blade out of your hand though. Was that tested in any of these?
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Post by vinland on Oct 10, 2015 0:42:03 GMT
Good thing they used beanbags and water. Had they really been bullets he would have cut them all in half and they wouldn't have even hit him I'm pretty sure that's actually been experimented with several times (might have even been on Mythbusters). Unsurprisingly, you can cut bullets just fine, since they're made of soft lead, but all it means is that you get two holes in you instead of one. Yeah, it was on forged in fire as well
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 10, 2015 1:07:45 GMT
I would think the impact would also knock your blade out of your hand though. Was that tested in any of these? Interesting thought. No, I don't believe it was; I think most tests use a vice or similar to hold the blade steady for best accuracy and consistency. After all, you don't want to end up like Skall, who accidentally shot his Reaver Cleaver on the flat and snapped the blade in half, do you?
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 10, 2015 1:21:12 GMT
Definitely not. Which brings up how likely proper edge alignment would be. So, if we have arms like the hulk and precision like in the myths and we cut the bullet multiple feet away, we too can be samurai.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Oct 10, 2015 2:09:22 GMT
I would think the impact would also knock your blade out of your hand though. Was that tested in any of these? If you cut the bullet, rather than stopping it with the sword, the force won't be too great. Even if you stopped the bullet (e.g., it hits the flat of the blade), you might still be OK. .45 ACP will have about 4N.s of momentum. A sword swung at you might have about double this (say, tip moving at 20m/s, centre of mass moving at 1/3 of that speed, and weight of 1kg = 7N.s). The sword can be stopped without having your blade knocked out of your hand, so the bullet can, in principle, be stopped. Even 7.62x51 NATO rounds will only have about 8N.s of momentum, and still be stoppable without the sword being knocked out of your grip (the harder part might be actually stopping the bullet, since it might go through the blade). In practice, if your sword is shot when you weren't ready for it, you might drop it.
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 10, 2015 2:20:42 GMT
If you cut the bullet, rather than stopping it with the sword, the force won't be too great. Even if you stopped the bullet (e.g., it hits the flat of the blade), you might still be OK. .45 ACP will have about 4N.s of momentum. A sword swung at you might have about double this (say, tip moving at 20m/s, centre of mass moving at 1/3 of that speed, and weight of 1kg = 7N.s). The sword can be stopped without having your blade knocked out of your hand, so the bullet can, in principle, be stopped. Even 7.62x51 NATO rounds will only have about 8N.s of momentum, and still be stoppable without the sword being knocked out of your grip (the harder part might be actually stopping the bullet, since it might go through the blade). In practice, if your sword is shot when you weren't ready for it, you might drop it. This supports that, at least when surprised, a rifle will definitely knock a weapon from someone's hand. I assume a handgun wouldn't be too impossible either (aside form aiming that shot). I've no knowledge of any instances in which this was done against a bladed weapon though.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Oct 10, 2015 3:36:04 GMT
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 10, 2015 3:42:04 GMT
I wonder if the thinness of the blade has anything to do with it? The handle is thicker. I doubt I'd drop my dao if the blade was shot through the side (it is one of the thinner one use ones) but I wonder if I could hold onto a katana shot through the side due to the added impact it would sustain being thicker.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Oct 10, 2015 4:04:44 GMT
The thinner the blade, the easier it will be to hold on. The spine of this barong is probably 4-5mm where the bullet hole is, so maybe 2mm thick at the hole. The quicker the bullet goes through the blade (holing it or snapping it), the less momentum will be transferred.
Don't think I've seen a gunto with a complete bullet hole, though have seen one with an edge chip due to a bullet (matching where the hole in the scabbard).
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 10, 2015 4:17:28 GMT
Where as a gun (measuring an HK USPC with a tape measure) is about 1 inch, or 25mm. So it stands to reason that a katana with 20mm depth at the kissaki (so somehwere around there at the monouchi) with the force being further away from your hands, might be possible to be knocked out as well, especially if one isn't prepared. However, the kissaki (around 5mm) might not pose much of a challenge and just break from the side.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Oct 10, 2015 5:46:09 GMT
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 10, 2015 5:54:36 GMT
Are those iron?
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