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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2008 5:50:25 GMT
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Post by hotspur on Apr 27, 2008 13:12:01 GMT
It can be a mistake to see something that appears unique and then assign that example status as a maxim. The sword you link to was not made by Potter and that is why it does not look exactly like the Potter example. As it is pretty clearly marked to Wilhelm Walscheid, it's actually not much of a head scratcher. That the dealer isn't familiar with this generalized pattern that was produced by at least three Soligen makers (that I have seen) only really means he hasn't done much homework himself on it. Depending what browser you are running, it is pretty easy to enlarge a view. Right click the image with the oval inset of the maker's name. Elect open image. Enlarge. a link I often post to set folk on the road of discovery is this one www.angelfire.com/wa/swordcollector/marks/page1.htmlThis general type of hilt was widely produced in Germany by just about all the sources. Along with this eagle and a US, you can find examples of this hilt with any number of cut-out variation. Also don't be bummmed that you may have missed an amazing deal. This pattern does turn up pretty regularly and generally in more complete condition. also don't be fooled by a starting price that probably doesn't well reflect a reserve price which would be the minimum it would actually sell at. As it went unplayed, maybe contact the seller and make an offer. You just never know what their best price might be. As I said though, the pattern does pop up and if you could live without the ACW association, the pattern as meant for many German states are a bit less money and usually in pretty good shape. Good luck in your quests Hotspur; The pattern really did run for decades but the seller just doesn't know what he is looking at (that can be good for buyers that do) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2008 16:31:43 GMT
What was bothering me the most was the cutout is so sloppy and the rest of the work was so clean. That and the patina was so even over the entire piece and no apparent pitting anywhere but the cut out, and that with fresh rust. The bottom of the ricasso is smooth as a babys butt, and the whole thing is olive drab.
I kept looking for that pattern and finding it on many sites, but non with that type of guard. I only found one last night with that kind of proof slug. I was blowing up the picture, but I still couldnt make out the mark. I quess I need to adjust the colors of the monitor.
Grumble grumble........... I almost bought it anyway. Ive paid more for replicas of other swords.
Cant believe I talked myself out of this one.
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Post by hotspur on Apr 27, 2008 17:16:45 GMT
Sometimes reading the marks can be a bit like playing wheel of fortune. I don't recall the official pattern name/year that these follow in Prussian typology but I believe they started in the 1850s.
As mentioned, since the dealer didn't sell it via that auction, it is likely either relisted or otherwise still in stock. Some dealers are asking big bucks for these. Edit to add that nickle plated surfaces often develop a very fine and even oxidation that isn't going to match unplated areas.
The third maker I have seen examples of for the American market is Weyersburg and I wouldn't be suprised if even more were making them
It's not a bad thing to be cautious about any sword that looks questionable but there are sometimes real bargains to be had when things get listed by those less familiar with the less common patterns. I'll see if I can find the root model, as there have been several discussions of these marked to different German states.
Cheers
Hotspur; I'm trying to remember if the whislte hilts are built on these too
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