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Post by Derzis on Aug 17, 2015 1:07:47 GMT
I was asking about habaki, not implying it should be there. I think that the mock-up with habaki is not right and in the first mock up the semicircle was carving too much in the blade at the exact point where the habaki comes in place to consolidate the blade. All the examples shown after are not carving that much, but again, it is your design and as long as you like it, you should ignore me :)
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Post by munk on Aug 17, 2015 22:14:21 GMT
Well, I suppose the next step would be to have the blade made. With that in hand, I can design the habaki (if I end up going with one), as well as the seppa and tsuba to be 3D printed to fit whatever the blade profile ends up being. I could then have the wood handle made, which would enable me to do the same with the fuchi and kashira. That should save myself and the smith some trouble, time, and money.
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Post by munk on Aug 18, 2015 23:06:17 GMT
While researching what the various dimensions of the blade would be, I came across something that might change the direction of the design. Do katanas normally taper toward the motokasane/sakikasane (spine) from the shinogi-ji, or is the shinogi-ji the same thickness as the spine? I have been assuming they are the same thickness, but bugei has some diagrams that show a taper. Does this vary from katana to katana?
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Post by Mikeeman on Aug 18, 2015 23:10:32 GMT
Some do, some don't. It all depends on the design.
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 18, 2015 23:38:50 GMT
Yeah, like Mike said, shinogi vs mune thickness varies by blade. I took since measurements of my two antique wakizashi a while back and the difference was something like 1/10 of an inch, but shobu-zukuri and some shinogi-zukuri are known for "high shinogi," meaning the shinogi is "taller" when compared to the rest of tl the blade, like a "diamond" cross-section.
Not all blades do, though.
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Post by munk on Aug 19, 2015 4:35:17 GMT
Oh, okay. Yeah I've seen people mention high shinogi before, but didn't really know what it meant. I've been studying photos, and it looks like Hauwei's blades are of the non-tapered variety that I need. I might start off sending them the design and see what happens. If they can't make the whole sword (fittings, etc) then perhaps they can just make parts of it (or just the blade, all else fails). Here are the specs I have so far, let me know if you see anything that doesn't look right haha:
Steel: 9260
Temper: TH
Profile: Shinogi-zukuri w/ niku
Nagasa / Blade Length: 22"
Motohaba: 3.2 cm
Motokasane: .7 cm
Sakihaba: 2.7 cm
Sakikasane: .5 cm ?
Polish: Mirror
Nakago Length: Full tang (~26 cm) Is that too long? How much space is needed for the fuchi?
Sori/curvature: Torri sori 1.5 cm
Kissaki: Chu-kissake (4 cm)
Yokote: Geometric
Tsuka length: 27 cm
Mekugi-ana: 2
I still need to figure out the measurements of the choil, but not sure of the best way to do it. If it were a semi-circle, I would just give a radius/diameter but it's only a partial semi-circle. Perhaps just width and depth, in conjunction with the image, would suffice.
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 19, 2015 5:05:07 GMT
Sounds okay so far. Here's a link to a post where I showed my two antique wakizashi, one of which has koshirae, the other you can at least see where the tsuba and habaki had been: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/post/628162/thread(I also have pretty much all the measurements I could think of, including mune vs shinogi thickness, in the body of that post) As for size of fuchi, that depends on the fuchi. I've seen both tall and short, likewise kashira. It's just whichever you want. I'd hazard that the "average" fuchi tends to be around 1/2-inch. (about 1.25cm?) |
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Post by munk on Aug 22, 2015 1:32:44 GMT
Can anyone tell me measurements for a hamidashi and a seppa (length x width x height)? How about a habaki? Just general numbers would suffice since it probably varies.
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Post by munk on Aug 25, 2015 2:34:31 GMT
Never mind, I just sent Hauwei the request along with some pictures from teh interwebz to help illustrate what I would like. Here is the diagram that I also sent to help explain what I was looking for....hope it works! Attachments:
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Post by munk on Aug 25, 2015 23:53:47 GMT
It worked! They accepted the project earlier today (whole sword, fittings and all). Just need to get an eta on when they expect the sword to be finished and put down a deposit to get things rolling.
Yay!
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Post by neuronic on Aug 26, 2015 12:29:52 GMT
Interesting. How much is it gonna be?
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Post by zabazagobo on Aug 26, 2015 14:07:40 GMT
It worked! They accepted the project earlier today (whole sword, fittings and all). Just need to get an eta on when they expect the sword to be finished and put down a deposit to get things rolling. Yay! Huh...I'm a little surprised they took on such an unconventional shape. Should be cool to see how it turns out. Depending on your luck (and Robert in California's with that incoming heavy niku blade), I might just have to contact Jacky about that odachi I've been wanting. |
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Aug 26, 2015 15:34:01 GMT
Looking forward to the end result...
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Post by munk on Aug 27, 2015 1:58:30 GMT
It's going to be $450. I too am a little surprised that they took it on after what happened with jkoo, but happy of course.
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Post by munk on Aug 29, 2015 16:09:17 GMT
Well everything is set. Sword paid for, approx 60 day turn around time. Just need to finish the menuki, have it printed, then send it off to Huawei. I'll keep everyone posted about the progress.
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Post by munk on Sept 9, 2015 2:08:09 GMT
For those who've interacted with Jacky from Huawei, how long is too long between email responses? I sent an email on 8/31 that did not get a response, and a follow up email 2 days ago without a response. He was responding within 36 hours at the beginning. Is that normal now that the sword is being made (i.e. focusing more on new orders) or what?
I'm actually fine with there being a few days between responses so long as things are staying on track.
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 9, 2015 5:14:48 GMT
According to some members here (rinc, etc) Jacky has a bad habit of disappearing from email exchanges for quite a long time. But h eventually delivers.
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Post by Shishi on Sept 9, 2015 21:43:44 GMT
As much as I preach about huawei being great, I will be floored if you receive this to spec. This will be the ultimate test of patience on your end, please be warned. It could be a very long wait.
I have concerns with a few aspects of this production that on one hand, could be easily remedied, but on the other hand, may be too unconventional for a factory setting to accommodate. For instance what shape would the habaki be in? Would this be a unique habaki for your sword? If so COOL! But there's risk involved with inconsistencies to your design, or being tossed in the problem project basket. It's great that you were able to provide a very clear and simple outline though. Nice work! Looks awesome.
I'll give one more example of what I would consider unconventional design that may pose an issue.
All production china kats swords are beveled top to bottom, even the tang.
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Your design only employs bevel a couple inches above the tsuba.
All of this is is what makes your design special, and admittedly, friggin awesome.
If all does come in accordance. Pictures. Upload millions of pictures. Until then, I advise a little friendly reminder couple times a month maybe after the first 40 days.
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Post by munk on Sept 10, 2015 2:17:48 GMT
Well, I suppose my patience will have to be limited to 180 days according to PayPal. While quite a bit beyond the 60 day turn around time quoted to me, I'l need to make it clear to Jacky in the last few months that I'll require the product in hand before that 180 day mark, no matter what. I'm not opposed to submitting a buyer's protection claim if I feel I'm being strung along, especially if after allowing 3x the original manufacturing time. I might make an exception if he can show me, with pictures, that the trickier parts of the design have already been completed correctly (blade, habaki, etc.) but silence or the runaround won't buy him additional time for this order.
As far as meeting the specs of this unusual blade, I am a bit nervous which is why I'd like to be kept in the loop throughout the process. I can save both of us time and headache if I can answer questions, catch mistakes, and provide clarity in live-time instead of after the sword is 90% done. But part of me is hoping that, because "stock" components won't work for this sword, the overall product will be of better quality. After all, so much of it HAS to be custom tailored to even work at all -- so the way I see it, it'll either be made well or it simply won't be made.
Finger crossed!
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Post by Shishi on Sept 10, 2015 23:25:38 GMT
You got the idea.
Not long ago I had a slightly unconventional order from huawei (no diagrams for reference) and after a year of saying it would be completed, I lost my patience and gave jacky somewhat of an ultimatum.
I said they could keep chuggin along on my pair of 9260 ko-kissaki blades or transfer payment to an order for an off the shelf item.
The item off the shelf had a $30-$40 higher price but jacky was happy to send for the amount paid on my custom cause I'd waited for the custom order for nearly a year and it never came through.
There's the fact that they didn't complete the order in the time I allowed but there's also the fact that they didn't disappear with my money altogether. Afterpractically a year, I'd say they could have easily pleaded ignorance to the original order.
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