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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2008 15:42:21 GMT
I am an extreme novice at cutting . Now with that being said, What is the purpose of cutting PET bottles? I have heard that one Tamishigiri mat is equal to cutting through the upper part of a leg. Are the bottles there just to have some type of a target? Any input or tips on cutting targets and form are welcome.
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 28, 2008 18:32:01 GMT
Bear, for me cutting bottles are fun. I also learned it wasn't as easy as it looked. Also I have easy access to a lot of bottles. As to learning to cut, theres some good advice in the cutting techniques thread as well as others.
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Post by ShooterMike on Feb 28, 2008 18:44:13 GMT
For me, plastic bottles are a free (or at least inexpensive) way to practice cutting techniques. They do a pretty decent job of providing feedback on edge alignment and proper draw motion. If they slice cleanly, leaving the bottom half undisturbed on the stand, you've done the technique properly. If it bats away without being cut, your technique is totally off. Other results indicate you're somewhere in between.
I much prefer cutting tatami, but with shipping, that can get quite expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2008 18:46:31 GMT
It would be deceptive to say that any inanimate target is equal to any part of the human anatomy. Who has tested these things? A single tatami mat just happens to be a common unit of construction for traditional Japanese flooring, just like a 2X4 or something. Before tatami mats were made by machine, it would have been a very wasteful item to cut like this. Earlier on, they used bundles of rice straw. which were available in nearly every province, unmangled by modern machines. But there's no evidence of rice straw's equivalence to human bodies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2008 19:00:54 GMT
Thanks for the input guys. I hope to start cutting very soon and hopefully some of the things i have already picked up from this forum will help. Again thanks alot
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2008 18:08:19 GMT
Cool pirate flag, BTW.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2008 21:23:28 GMT
Here here on the free. I have been a little more tree hugger with mine of late, though. I will fill them with waste water( like bath or dish) and then pic all pieces up for recycling. Mike is right. Bottles offer good technique practice for me (katana only). If I can leave a milk jug/laundry detergent jug sitting with the top shaved off, that is okay. With a coke bottle even better. It does give good cutting feedback. IMO, the water offers little resistance, though. It just serves as a provider of mass to hold your object in place. I save newspapers, roll them like mats, soak them overnight, and then cut. They are much harder to get through than a plastic bottle IMO. However, they seem to dull my (cheaper) blades quickly. Mats are fiber, when soaked, would probably mimic human flesh closely enough. They are expensive though. (By expensive, I mean "not free")
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Post by alvin on Mar 2, 2008 21:51:42 GMT
Amen to all of the above comments. They're targets. To paraphrase Dejan Damnjanovic, a Serbian master, practise of the sword without cutting, is like practising marksmanship with the rifle without using a target.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2008 22:19:45 GMT
+1 to Alvin for the quote!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2008 1:26:41 GMT
Depends on why you are practising the sword, for the most part this is true but there are some exceptions.
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Post by alvin on Mar 23, 2008 2:27:29 GMT
I think it applies to one who practices the sword for the purpose for which a sword was designed. One who is practising the sword as a route to learning dance does not have a need to cut.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2008 16:50:11 GMT
bottles to me are just an excuse to go play with my sharpies and they offer decent feed back on your form
i still want to try rolled newspaper but i need better swords first in fear of bending the ones i have now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2008 16:57:01 GMT
A sword isn't only designed to cut, depending on the sword. You can use a jian lethally without ever cutting with it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2008 19:24:43 GMT
bloodwraith: But why does it have sharp edges?
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Post by YlliwCir on Mar 23, 2008 19:35:54 GMT
bloodwraith: But why does it have sharp edges? I'll take this one. Because you can't cut bottles with a dull edge. Hmm, we seem to have come full circle. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2008 19:42:02 GMT
it has sharp edges so u can shave with it after the battle (gotta look perty other wise noone will take u Seriously )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2008 22:51:14 GMT
But if you look at Kill Bill, Bushy Brows has a crazy beard =P The jians most powerful attack is it's stab, so you don't need sharp edges, just a sharp point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2008 23:01:30 GMT
lol of course you need sharp edges. the jian isn't a smallsword.
The jian's bread and butter are cuts targeting the hands and arms and thrusts to the body.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2008 7:09:34 GMT
bloodwraith: But why does it have sharp edges? Because just because a sword can thust doesn't mean it can't CUT as well. We are all familiar with the concept of a cut AND thrust sword no?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2008 16:54:08 GMT
it has sharp edges so u can shave with it after the battle (gotta look perty other wise noone will take u Seriously ) I resemble that remark LOL
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