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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 5:39:05 GMT
Ok well my chain mail is schedualed to arive this friday (OMG!!! that's tomorrow!!! ;D) anyway I want to be able to put a review up here for you guys, but being new to this what kind of "tests" should I preform, what should I describe (besides the obvious, packing, ship time, quality out of box, ect...) please help so I can give you guys a good quality review of the chain mail. thnx
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 7:38:02 GMT
Ok well my chain mail is schedualed to arive this friday (OMG!!! that's tomorrow!!! ;D) anyway I want to be able to put a review up here for you guys, but being new to this what kind of "tests" should I preform, what should I describe (besides the obvious, packing, ship time, quality out of box, ect...) please help so I can give you guys a good quality review of the chain mail. thnx Hmmm...I can't think of a non-damaging test for chanmail that really gives meaningful feedback, and I'd hate to have you damage your new armor too, so I'm kinda stumped on that one. Maybe somebody else can chime in here with a good idea or two. The main things I'd like to see would be specs like weight, ring diameter and thickness, type of material (carbon, stainless, whatever), whether the rings are butted or riveted, and (as you mentioned) quality of fit and finish.
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Post by rammstein on Apr 6, 2007 14:01:05 GMT
if it's butted, don't do this. If it's rivitted, try seeing how much weight it can saftly hold. By this I mean dangling some extra weight off of the bottom to see how well the rings are contrsucted. If it's butted, it will probably fail pretty easily. The good thing about butted is it's simple to fix. All you need is 2 needle nosed plyers (although some people prefer regular ones, I like needlenose because it gives extra accuracy)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 15:21:38 GMT
I have a butted mail shirt too. It looks cool but butted mail is (usualy) only for display. You can wear it to fairs and events. You call it your "court dress". Not all armor and weapons were built for battle, some were built just for court. It is also useful for practicing your sword strikes in. It will give you a better idea of what fighting in armor is like with an extra 30-40 lbs. If you have never fought in armor before, it will be a real eye opener. You will see how quickly you get tired. It is necessary for all your strikes to draw inertia from your lowerbody and hips in order to fight in armor. Post two pictures when you get it. One wearing it and one close up so we can see the details of the links. Tell us what metal they are, usualy stainless steel or zinc ion. If you are making it yourself it will take weeks to finish if you are using soft metal. If you are using hard metal, it will take a year. If you factor in how much money you would be making if you are working, it is definetly better to buy. A word on butted, I have seen some hardend butted rings that some SCA fighters use as part of there helmet. Some people's necks and throats are shaped in such a way that gorgets are very uncomfortable. They have mail attached the bottom of their helmets that drapes around their shoulders. This draped mail that hangs between the helmet and their chestplate is adequate to stop the force of an incomming blow to the throat. The rings are butted but extreamly hard and thick. These are battle worthy. I find this to be a lot of extra weight to cover a very small area, a gorget if you can use it, is more efficent. Notice the sleves above how they drape. That is not good. I had to adjust those so the are tighter because they were hitting me in the face. It took almost 4 hours in total to remove some rings and tighten it up. This is how they look now. Much more functional:
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Post by rammstein on Apr 6, 2007 15:36:37 GMT
tsafa, you might want to consider some garmets to wear UNDER the maille. Sorta weird seeing the red shirt!
Maybe a brigandine too, and a nasal norman styled helm would top off that suite nicely. You'd need a shield and probably a lance/spear as well!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 15:43:22 GMT
thank you guys soo much I'm soo excited about it coming today!!! so you should see a review soon (gimme a week to play with my new toy ) and it is butted the description on the site wasn't great but it was an unbeatable sale (coming with a coif as well) so I'll tell you what I can find out. I'm already impressed with the sites methods I only ordered this on monday and it shound be here today ground shipping.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 15:45:47 GMT
Don't make us wait!!!! at least post a picture! and tell us how much it cost and where you got it. Ramstein, I usualy wear a black sweatshirt under. These are the early pictures of when I first got it. I have since focused on my SCA armor and don't want to further invest in this since it is battle worthy, but it was a good place to start. It only cost me $200. It is great for Keryokee night! (don't mind the Fairy in the back)
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Post by rammstein on Apr 6, 2007 15:48:41 GMT
yup, I want to know how much it costs
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 19:04:55 GMT
Hehehe, that last pic is great, Bill! Looks like evryone is having fun except the guy in the white t shirt. He has a look like "oh, no...Tsafa is singing again!" ;D Seeing a dude in a pink dress is mildly disturbing, though... ;D
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Post by rammstein on Apr 6, 2007 19:08:33 GMT
it looks like tsafa has already done all that's possible in that picture...I don't think it even CAN be editted for the photoshop thread to make it even funnier than it already is! So funny...a big hairy ballerina-man chugging down a beer
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 23:12:49 GMT
It gets even better...
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Post by rammstein on Apr 6, 2007 23:17:02 GMT
dear god... kriegschwert, Ijust don't know how you can edit these pictures! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2007 8:28:50 GMT
lol nice pics I'm thinking about wearing mine to work (lol I work at a coffee shop) ok so it's on sale at www.realarmorofgod.com/shop/product_info.php/cPath/45/products_id/434?osCsid=68ed2b02b43c006077c813b8537dedd1so on the site they do claim it to be high carbon (any way/test to prove that???) their processing was imediate the armor arrived today unfortunatly I was at work but I promise the moment it's in my hands not an hour later you'll have pics then later a review. I got the coif with the shirt and the whole thing including shipping cost me $180 u.s. from what I've seen not half bad. so under the assumtion (yes I know what assuming does lol) that it's butted high-carbon steel chain mail are there now any quality tests I can preform? btw once I have it in my hands is there any way for me to conferm/deny high-carbon or is that something I just have to take their word on. any tell tale signs?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2007 23:22:58 GMT
Butted carbon steel would be my guess too. If the items arrive coated with oil of some type, then it's likely they are carbon. The simplest test would be to find a couple of inconspicuous rings (like at the bottom of the shirt somewhere) and clean them thoroughly of all traces of oil (alcohol is good for this), and then take a Q-tip soaked in vinegar (or mustard, or ketchup, anything acidic) and wipe some on the rings. Let them set overnight, and if they have darkened, then it is carbon steel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2007 4:29:59 GMT
;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2007 9:27:43 GMT
thanks kriegschwert my girlfriend gave similar advice lol my girlfriend just told me "well you said high carbon rusts and I was just watching CSI and they preformed a test on a piece of metal found in a murder victim and concluded it was high carbon steel from a dagger. they wiped something on it and it changed color. you could do that to a small part of the mail near the bottom" after which I told her if my high carbon dagger broke just by stabbing someone in the ribs I'd send it back and demand a refund! What a sorry excuse for a "high carbon steel" dagger! hmph high carbon indeed. (all in jest of course )
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Post by rammstein on Apr 9, 2007 0:55:57 GMT
oh dear god no kriegschwert....
Don't hurt the poor tike, too much just cause he spilled beer on your dadao during your kareokoke turn ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2007 19:36:55 GMT
Ohhh sh1t that was funny!!! Karma for that one.
kriegschwert, you can clip edit yourself into my party anytime.
Infact since we are all spread out allover the world, you should clip edit us all together in a castle or something from the picture we have posted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2007 3:50:59 GMT
Just remember, ALL steel has carbon in it, and MOST stainless steels have a carbon content that would qualify them to fit into the 'high carbon' category. It's all just semantics.
interestingly, when you add too much carbon to steel, it becomes iron again. there are two kinds of iron: cast iron and pig iron, IIRC. One has too little carbon to be considered steel(<.2%) and the other has too much(>4% or something like that). i could be wrong, it's been a long time since I looked this stuff up...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2007 11:46:52 GMT
Very interesting adam.
Mcgarry, you never told us about how you like your new chainmail. Post a picture.
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