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Post by Paul on Nov 15, 2013 21:43:35 GMT
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Post by Krull on Nov 16, 2013 3:37:21 GMT
You should probably put a little money into it and get something that'll last,the blue force looks best or try here (if they ship to Oz) www.tacticaltailor.com/The molle is the best choice as you get a vest with lots of slots that you add pouches to i.e. you don't get stuck with a vest made for AR mags and you don't have one....or one with a sewn in pistol holster and you have no pistol. For a bolt action/.223 you just need to find a pouch that will fit a box of shells utility pouches are your best bet or medic use ones,check sizes but last I remember a six inch long pouch fits most ammoboxes (go measure though) What kind of knife? if it's small vest carry is okay,if it's a good sized one you'll need a belt,a lot of the vests have belt attachments and most sell a good belt to go with it-a belt also lets you hook up even more pouches. And if you're talking survival you need a good flashlight,you have one I take it? If you need to know more ask away.
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Post by madmandom on Nov 16, 2013 4:39:34 GMT
I see your in victoria global gear is located in vic have a huge range of tactical gear. On a side note handguns are available here in australia
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Post by Paul on Nov 16, 2013 8:13:16 GMT
Thanks Guys, great tips looking into those now. The blueforce looks good but is on the high side in the price range, and I also think there might be some legal issues here in Victoria with the armour carry side of things, you can buy it but I don't think you can buy the armour plates to put in it. What do you think od the 5.11 vest? www.elitetactical.com.au/product ... cts_id=342 I did initially like the Condor vest but as you say its a bit limiting with the fixed pockets. Thanks Mad, Global Gear is about a 2 hour drive from me and apart from their 5.11 gear im not sure about the quality of the rest. Would definitely be worth the trip if it was a bit closer but all their Zombie Outbreak vests seem to be on sale.... www.globalgear.com.au/gadgets-ge ... vest-large www.globalgear.com.au/gadgets-ge ... vest-large And yes a correction, yes you can get hand guns and even semi auto rifles here in Oz BUT this is a big step up in the licencing requirements and in particular with hand guns ongoing requirements, more trouble than its worth.
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Post by Krull on Nov 16, 2013 9:31:48 GMT
The 5.11 looks good,get ether OD or DE black is ninja cool but hot as crap now start hunting pouches,be amazed what you can attach to something like that. The armor pockets can be used as a map carrier,armor plates are nice but from what I've read hot and heavy-if you plan on getting shot at fine,if you just want to carry stuff to survive,un no and hell no unless your kangaroos shoot back! (jokes aside last I checked an armor plate is like 5lbs apiece :shock: ) Good gear is like a good sword you can't spend too much,pay once and cry once,least you know you won't have it come apart when you're halfway up a mountain.
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Post by hhmoore on Nov 16, 2013 9:45:54 GMT
While I can't comment on their vests, I have two 5.11 Tactical packs (Rush 24 & Rush 72). They're well made and durable - I wouldn't expect less of their vests.
Depending on your needs and tastes, Blackhawk might be worth looking into, as well. (Not sure how accessible their gear is there, though)
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Post by hhmoore on Nov 16, 2013 10:05:17 GMT
Also, check eBay - a lot of sellers offer recent models (as opposed to the new and improved) at a good discount
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Post by Rifleman Lizard on Nov 16, 2013 10:25:07 GMT
I've got piles of vests and plate carriers. The best ones I've found are from Warrior Assault Systems. They ship globally but there are lots of similar products available. www.uktactical.com/c-54-warrior- ... stems.aspx Consider soft and hard plates. If you want something for prep'/security then they'll be worth the money. If you don't want plates just yet then consider buying a carrier that has the ability to hold 'em, so you can chose whether or not to add some later. If you already don't want plates then basic but versatile PLCE webbing would be a much better choice. Many of the fixed vests aren't able to carry armour and are just for load bearing. You won't regret building a MOLLE rig. It's strong, simple to use, and gives you hundreds of options over any fixed vest. Most platforms are designed for AR/AK/HK use, but you can easily swap out or move any pouches for smaller calibre capacity or utility pouches. Also, avoid Chinese knock offs. Ebay has some diamonds in the rough but is otherwise loaded with clones. 5.11 and Blackhawk are both strong brands with excellent products. Tasmanian Tiger make some great stuff at attractive prices. www.tasmaniantactical.com/TASMAN ... s/1513.htm Fflye Industries is also good. www.flyyeindustries.com/I'd avoid those Zombie Outbreak vests at all costs, mate. They don't look up to rough or long term use. I've had similar kit in the past and the pockets are cheaply held together and will split from the main body. Look for buttons and avoid cheap zips. Once they go pop they're not much use. If they're close by it couldn't hurt to get hands on. Check your local army surplus stores as well. They're usually packed to the rafters with cheap but suitable webbing and other good stuff.
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Post by Paul on Nov 16, 2013 13:12:28 GMT
Thanks guys your advice is greatly appreciated, seems to be lots of options out there, so far I think I'm leaning towards the 5.11, lots of reviews available and lots of same branded attachments to go with it. I also like the Platatac brand version which seems to be modeled after the blackhawk vest. www.elitetactical.com.au/product ... cts_id=342 www.platatac.com/platatac-romp-v ... -5903.html Guess I need to work out the sizing and color options, prices arnt bad either and <$100. I also came across these www.platatac.com/bawidamann-blan ... ndard.html perfect for mounting my barkriver sts-5 kydex sheath to either a vest or thigh rig.
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Post by Paul on Nov 17, 2013 5:12:15 GMT
Hi guys, What are your thoughts on knife carry position within the theme of this thread? My sts-5 (pics in my collection link) 5" blade with its kydex sheath sits a bit high with the normal belt carry I'm thinking either vertical thigh rig carry or vertical upside down carry on a vest, the kydex retention is excellent. I've not had experience with either and again would be grateful of any opinions. Thanks Paul (Closet prepper )
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Post by Krull on Nov 17, 2013 11:43:34 GMT
Try carrying it horizontally on the belt,nice thing about kydex is you can hang it in some real odd ways.
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Post by Rifleman Lizard on Nov 17, 2013 13:14:36 GMT
There are lots of ways to carry a knife, but the worst method ever conceived is the reverse extended draw method, on a vest collar like you see in the movies. It's a very easy way to have your knife taken from you, and much worse, used against you. Should someone grab it, it's already beyond your zone of defence and inches away from your neck and face. A good rule of thumb is to avoid attaching any weapons on your carry kit and instead attach them to yourself.
Personally, I think the standard dominant hand belt carry is the way to go because it's very secure, easy to access, takes a familiar short hand to draw it, and isn't easily lost even if you need to remove your kit.
On the waist is tried and true, and simple is always best.
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Post by ryanbrandon on May 22, 2017 19:48:29 GMT
I think UTG 547 LAW ENFORCEMENT is one of the best tactical vest on the market . This tactical vest weighs 4.5 pounds and it really is a law enforcement standard vest in terms of its use. It’s durable and adjustable, but the way in which the pouches are designed and positioned makes it easy for trained officials to switch up their shells and magazines very quickly.The material made to construct the mesh is thick and sturdy, forming part of an overall tough, heavy-duty tactical vest The left side of the collarbone region features a pocket which can house a walkie-talkie Nice variation in what you can fit – either a P2220 (or M1911/Glock 17) or a couple of extra mags if you rather want to house six rifle mags Lots of space in a total of seven pockets which can effectively be reconfigured to store a range of items
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Post by jusdako2m on Jul 15, 2020 13:11:25 GMT
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Post by howler on Jul 15, 2020 19:28:41 GMT
Still working out what ballistic levels of performance I will want for the vest I buy. I don't know if I can go beyond .223 protection because of the weight penalty, but technology is advancing, which is why I've been on the fence so long.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jul 19, 2020 15:15:49 GMT
I don't like tactical vests. They are cumbersome, hot, and snag on everything. And for a bolt action rifle, they aren't the optimal choice anyways since you won't be using them to their full advantage.
When carrying my bolt action, I prefer to use a small backpack of about 3 liter capacity. I wear it on the front, and I can access reload clips (yes, clips, not magazines), my cleaning kit, and a few other odds and ends. I can wear it on the back when traveling, on the front if I expect trouble. It's just right. You can also use a regular cross carry diddy-bag of some general construction. And they are easy to remove if you catch fire. Yes, I said catch fire. If you do insist on a vest, make sure it has a metal zipper or use only the velcro/snap closures. A plastic zipper will melt and you won't be able to remove the vest. Don't ask me how I know this.
I can also carry the bag out in public and not raise any concerns from the citizens. You can't do that with a tactical vest.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 19, 2020 21:40:43 GMT
I. And for a bolt action rifle, they aren't the optimal choice anyways since you won't be using them to their full advantage. ^^^^This. Without semi-auto rifles/pistols I dont think there is much point to a traditional tactical vest. The tactical vest's (as opposed to a plate carrier) primary mission is to take advantage of the speed of reloading that semi's offer by making the loaded mags as available as possible for reloading. With a bolt action rifle, the tac vest is just a tacti-cool accessory IMHO. I would agree that a nondescript satchel secure across your shoulder fill of loose clips of ammunition would be a much better option. I have a 5.11 bailoutbag that may be a consideration;
And they are easy to remove if you catch fire. Yes, I said catch fire. If you do insist on a vest, make sure it has a metal zipper or use only the velcro/snap closures. A plastic zipper will melt and you won't be able to remove the vest. Don't ask me how I know this. Ill ask as this is great advice and I had never thought about it before. Just did a check of my kit.. no plastic zippers!!!I can also carry the bag out in public and not raise any concerns from the citizens. You can't do that with a tactical vest. If this kit is only for SHTF scenario, not sure that matters but looking as non treating or valuable as possible would be a key component of survival in the end of the world. Home defense package; EOW package;
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Post by nerdthenord on Jul 20, 2020 11:08:53 GMT
Maybe very specific in my case, but when I’m Airsofting I use a chest rig and not a plate carrier because I’m all of five foot five, maybe four and a half, and plate carriers tend to eat me alive. If I knew I was going to be shot at I’d consider a smaller one but I much prefer being able to quickly shoulder my rifle, which is more difficult with all the plate carriers I’ve tried. Granted this is all combat sports I’ve done not combat.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jul 20, 2020 15:28:14 GMT
I also hate thigh holsters. They may look cool, but wearing one all day will give you blisters and rashes in places where you shouldn't have any. Also, they restrict air circulation under the clothing and make you sweat something terrible. I've also seen guys develop ring worm from wearing them (which is a fungal infection, not an actual worm).
Hated my thigh rig. I rather wore my side arm on the belly where it's out of the way, but near to where I needed it. I learned that in Bosnia. I also learned that velcro is stupid on tactical gear when you are trying to get said pistol out of said holster and not make any noise while doing it.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jul 20, 2020 15:35:01 GMT
Maybe very specific in my case, but when I’m Airsofting I use a chest rig and not a plate carrier because I’m all of five foot five, maybe four and a half, and plate carriers tend to eat me alive. If I knew I was going to be shot at I’d consider a smaller one but I much prefer being able to quickly shoulder my rifle, which is more difficult with all the plate carriers I’ve tried. Granted this is all combat sports I’ve done not combat. That is a more practical set up, especially for a bolt action rifle. Avoid adding too much junk to it, however. It's tempting to hang everything you own on it, but it's a bad idea to do that when you have to hit the dirt and start crawling. What's not immediately needed for the rifle itself (ammo and cleaning kit/tools for clearing a jam) needs to be in a butt pack where it can be gotten later if needed. I would only carry ammo, compass, and side arm on my vest, and I had a rain poncho, food, socks, and personal hygiene kit in a butt pack. Everything else was on the ruck and normally left behind in the staging area or base camp. I could go out for several days with just those items. But to each his own. I suggest taking your kit out to the woods for a week and wearing it all day, every day and see then what set up works best for you. You might be surprised how much stuff you don't actually need.
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