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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2007 21:21:23 GMT
I am seriously looking to upgrade from my Atlanta Cutlery "Qama" short sword, but I am on an EXTREMELY TIGHT shoestring budget. I checked out G.G.G.'s website, and they have a nice selection of 18th cy. style swords. Two of them, a 1740's British infantry hanger and a late 18th cy. naval cutlass, are available in two grades: a $100 "India import" grade, and a $215 or so duplicate that is listed as better finished. Of the two, I like the naval cutlass better, and the $100 fits my budget. I sent an e-mail to G.G.G., inquiring as to quality and functionality (I told them I don't buy non-functional "decorator" weapons - either guns OR edged weapons), and their reply was that while the "India import" grade swords aren't as highly finished as Windlass Steelcrafts swords, they are functional and they "aren't complete garbage". Does anyone have any personal experience with these lower-priced swords? Finish takes second place to functionality, for me, on my budget. I've seen some original Mexican "Espada Ancha" swords that were made pretty rough, but they were obviously intended to be serious weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2007 23:43:32 GMT
Nobody? OK, let's try another tack: what other Indian sword manufacturers are there that import into the USA besides Windlass and Depeeka?
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 31, 2007 23:55:35 GMT
I've never heard of these guys. Got a link? I've had too much Google for one day already.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2008 0:40:46 GMT
Godwin caters to living history groups more than back yard cutters. I do not have any experience with their products, but people seem to like their products in general, but I have not heard anyone comment on the $100 budget models. Have you asked what they meant when they said the cutlasses are not "complete garbage"? www.gggodwin.comOne of their small-swords is reviewed on myArmoury.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Jan 1, 2008 0:53:28 GMT
atlanta cutlerys 1860 naval cutlass is made by windlass ($159.00) are you looking for a certain period or look?
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 1, 2008 0:56:09 GMT
Oh, those guys. I'd browsed that site before, but I'm not sure I was aware of the name.
Their stuff might be pretty good, but the aesthetics aren't to my taste, personally. I'm sure it's accurate, and a fine design for their purpose, but I can't say more than that...
For $100, though, I'm sure you can't go wrong. They should be at least as good as Windlass, I imagine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2008 2:25:17 GMT
Well, when I inquired, I told them (as I believe I mentioned above), that I do not want to buy non-functional "decorator weapons", guns or otherwise,and that I was looking for a real, honest-to-goodness useable sword. Their reply was that (a) they are fully functional, (b) they aren't as highly finished as the Windlass swords (presumably their higher priced stuff?), but (c) they're not complete garbage. They also said that if I wasn't satisfied that they'd give me a full refund. I went ahead and ordered one of the late 18th century American naval cutlasses, with iron mounts and an iron hilt. I actually rather like the simple, brutal, no-nonsense look of this sword, and I like the straighter blade better than the curved blades I've seen on later cutlasses (the Ames-made U.S. model 1841 excepted, but that's just a "navalized" version of the heavy, clumsy, and impractical "foot artillery sword" of the same period). Plus, I figure it can't be much worse than some of the original cutlasses of the same time period ( I read somewhere that a few of them actually had iron, rather than steel, blades, since iron was cheaper, and that during the Revolution American sailors would sometimes discard their domestically made cutlasses in favor of British ones). These, at least, have steel blades.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 8:22:20 GMT
Please let me know when yours come in. The simple and functional lines of these swords appeal to me as well. I'm very interested in your assessment of these weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2008 22:00:33 GMT
I second! Please give a review of some sort.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2008 19:26:36 GMT
Well, it just shipped today, so hopefully I'll have it soon.
I talked to the guy at Godwin's and he told me that their more expensive stuff has blades made mostly in eastern Europe, and they make their own hilts, fittings, etc. right there at their shop in Valley Forge. The higher grade stuff is made so that it can be disassembled for maintenance if need be. The India import stuff tends to have a rougher finish and the tangs are peened rather than threaded. That doesn't bother me, as I think that's closer to the original method anyway (at least up to a point in history - 19th cy., maybe?). He also said that ALL of their swords tend to be made heavier than the originals, partially for safety and partially to discourage fakery. He said that back in the 70's somebody tried to bury some of the swords Godwin was selling that were more authentic and then was trying to pass off the artificially aged weapons as originals. Now, he said they were made "twice as heavy" but I can't see that as they'd then be much too heavy to be truly functional, I think. We'll see...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 8:17:54 GMT
Well, I got my sword today, and this is what i got for $100 (+ $12 or so for shipping). It is very much a no-frills sword, typical of late 18th century naval cutlasses. The blade is fullered and has a false edge that extends to about 5" back from the tip, and is straight rather than having the curve one usually thinks of when someone says "cutlass". It is about 1.2" wide at its widest point (at the hilt), and the cutting part of the edge ends about 1.6" from the hilt (probably for parrying purposes). The hilt itself is wood, covered with a simple smooth iron cylinder. The handguard is a sort of primitive half-basket with a rather large disk-shape (about 4" across) at the junction of blade and hilt, and the knuckle guard is a strap that starts at the pommel, swells into another disk about 3" across (bent at the sides towards the hand) and then finally joins the larger disk at the blade junction. There is also a short, wide quillion. The entire knuckle/handguard assembly is a single piece of heavy sheet iron - again, typical of many late 18th-early 19th century naval weapons. The hilt and guard are painted flat black, and the whole is held together with a threaded nut on the end of the tang, filed into a roughly round shape (rather than being peened, as I had expected - not disappointed there, actually!). The scabbard is made from heavy leather, with a brass tip that ends in a ball-like finial, and a brass throat with a stud to help hold it into a leather belt frog. Tip and throat are held onto the scabbard with brass staples. The brass is polished, though there are still hammer and file marks here and there. Overall finish is rather crude. The blade is not perfectly flat, though it doesn't have a huge amount of curvature in it. It was not ground evenly, and the narrow fullers are not perfectly straight. Typical of many India-made swords, it has a 1mm dull edge (a bit thicker than that near the point). The blade is about 5/32" thick at the hilt. It does seem to be at least somewhat tempered, as I can flex it by hand about 4" from true and it returns without taking any obvious set (a bit hard to tell without the blade being perfectly straight in the first place, but it does seem to have a reasonable amount of "spring" to it). Don't know what its cutting capabilities are, as I don't have it sharp yet and anyway, it's too cold outside in the "Great White North" to do any cutting tests, at least until springtime. Not sure what a weapon this size should weigh, and I don't have a scale, but it feels like it weighs about 1.5, maybe 2 pounds. I don't have any prior experience with better quality swords, so I can't judge how good (or bad) the balance is. I know I can swing it without feeling like it won't stop when I want it to. Insofar as I can judge, I'd say for $100 this will probably be a decent beater.
I will post pictures as soon as I take some, and as soon as someone can tell me how to post them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 15:01:46 GMT
The guard on this type of cutlass is call "figure of 8", because this is roughly the shape of the disks on the guard. I look forward to photos.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 10:25:53 GMT
OK, just how DO you post pictures to this forum? Is it possible to upload them directly from my hard drive?
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jan 15, 2008 10:50:08 GMT
photobucket.comGo there, setup an account, upload your pics from your hard drive, once uploaded go under the thumbmnail, copy the link for forums and paste the link in your post. Easy, and fun. or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2008 20:30:32 GMT
I'll take the "or not". It takes forever to upload the pics via dial-up connection, and unfortunately cable/DSL is not available where I live. Satellite is WAY too expensive. Any other ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2008 20:55:13 GMT
You could email the pics to me and I will post them. Check your PMs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 21:45:07 GMT
Birdman's pics:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2008 2:45:42 GMT
Thanks for posting these for me! One hour later and my first pic still had not downloaded on Photobucket. I hate dial-up... Karma for helping me out, BTW
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2008 12:56:20 GMT
Thanks for posting these for me! One hour later and my first pic still had not downloaded on Photobucket. I hate dial-up... Karma for helping me out, BTW My pleasure! Would you like me to post the pics of the originals you emailed to me?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2008 18:18:07 GMT
Sure, why not! I think they're good for a comparison.
Sure wish I knew which Indian manufacturer made my sword. It doesn't have any visible markings on it - not even a "made in India" sticker.
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