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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 26, 2008 21:35:23 GMT
I often get asked by various people in my family, "Why do you carry a handgun with you everywhere?". I tell them that i look at it in the same light as the airbags and safety belts in my car: I hope and pray I'm never in a situation where I need them, but I'll be mighty glad it's there if I ever DO need them. Same goes for any other thing used for defense, whether it's a knife, sword, kubotan, OC spray, or even black-belt level training in some martial arts discipline. It's just another piece of safety equipment held in reserve in an uncertain and unsafe world. I agree with this method completely. I always carry a knife, even to school. I go to school with a semprini load of gangsta wannabes. That in combination with my ninjutsu training will hopefully guarantee my safety. It should, I don't see why mindless attacking could beat ninjutsu training. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2008 3:21:22 GMT
I carry my hands because knives are illegal here and I can do more damage with my hands due to martial arts training. I keep my bokken handy and soon I will be keeping my slasher by my bed, with my glasses.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 27, 2008 3:30:15 GMT
some times I forget that most people are not used to seeing violance and think it's weird to hear some one speak so casual about it ...... I'm not trying to brag ...... it's just what I've seen
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Post by rammstein on Jan 27, 2008 3:47:03 GMT
Seth if you're in high school like me....
That'd only get you in trouble. I'm all for carying weapons to dissuade violence, but in school if you pull out a knife and are successful in defending yourself, you'll be expelled for having a knife in the first place.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 27, 2008 3:51:50 GMT
ramms got a point I got kicked out of school for an inch and ahalf pocket knife trust me they don't play.......depending on the size they might charge your parents to
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Post by rammstein on Jan 27, 2008 3:54:24 GMT
Ya, I got indoor suspension for NOT having my ankle/foot broken by another kid.
Don't even get me started on that one.
Considering I've been handling weapons since god knows when...I think I should be trusted to provide for my own defense when the school seems unable to.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 27, 2008 4:13:01 GMT
the school rarely favor the victor ....... evan when the loser is the aggressor
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Post by rammstein on Jan 27, 2008 4:23:31 GMT
I typically don't talk like such a tough guy but (and I mentioned this somewhere else too) my legal means of self defense at school are my drumsticks which I carry at all times and martial arts training. I will always aim to remove the threat with as little harm as possible, just so I can't be seen as the aggressor if and whe a fight occurs.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 27, 2008 4:26:07 GMT
I favor presure points
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2008 4:51:34 GMT
Pressure points don't work as well as CNSD (central nervous system damage.) I find that pressure points don't do jack, I have tried them and had people try them on me. Better to use wrist locks or just put your opponent straight down, that is my favoured method. Pressure points don't work when you are amped up and high on adrenaline and they are hard to hit in situations where you are fighting for a serious reason. Even my ninjutsu sensei tells me that joint locks are more effective than pressure points any day of the week.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 27, 2008 6:15:20 GMT
Seth if you're in high school like me.... That'd only get you in trouble. I'm all for carying weapons to dissuade violence, but in school if you pull out a knife and are successful in defending yourself, you'll be expelled for having a knife in the first place. Meh, I don't really care. I hate fighting. If someone wants to threaten me or provoke me, I wanna make sure they regret it. I won't kill em, just maim them. |
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 27, 2008 6:23:33 GMT
Pressure points don't work as well as CNSD (central nervous system damage.) I find that pressure points don't do jack, I have tried them and had people try them on me. Better to use wrist locks or just put your opponent straight down, that is my favoured method. Pressure points don't work when you are amped up and high on adrenaline and they are hard to hit in situations where you are fighting for a serious reason. Even my ninjutsu sensei tells me that joint locks are more effective than pressure points any day of the week. Ever try jamming your finger in the joining between their collarbone and their jugular? That seems to work well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2008 6:33:51 GMT
BW, you're right about pressure points. Most people are affected by the common pressure points but many have one or more that does not affect them.
I have a friend who is not affected by any pressure point. However, joint locks are just as effective with him as anyone else.
A joint lock can be used to simply stop/control someones movement (usually with "pain compliance") or if the situation dictates the same joint lock can be used to break or dislocate a joint/bone.
A pressure point does not have as high of a success rate as the joint lock does. Pressure points do have their uses but it is a very, very small percentage of the time.
Just my .02 cents.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 27, 2008 6:40:20 GMT
I use both pressure points and joint locks. I also practice Dim Mak but I question it's effectiveness.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2008 6:51:59 GMT
Dim Mak only works on people who believe it works, I had a guy try it on me and it didn't do anything, I ended up just about dislocating his shoulder by accident. As to pressure points, the one under the collar bone and the one between the collar bone and the jugular have nil effect on me. My sensei was trying out different techniques with pressure points against me and I walked through all of them, he even triggered one with a tanto bokken and I responded by hitting him when it failed to do anything. CNSD and shock and shatter are the two most effective methods of damaging an opponent. Like I said, most fighters have so much adrenaline going through them that pressure points are both hard to intiate and hard to have effect someone who is jumped up on adrenaline, or worse PCP. Only killing pressure points work, like the blocking of the cartoid arteries and other arterial stoppages, the ones designed to inflict pain are a bit crap unless you are against someone with a low pain tolerance.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 27, 2008 7:13:57 GMT
Dim Mak only works on people who believe it works, I had a guy try it on me and it didn't do anything, I ended up just about dislocating his shoulder by accident. As to pressure points, the one under the collar bone and the one between the collar bone and the jugular have nil effect on me. My sensei was trying out different techniques with pressure points against me and I walked through all of them, he even triggered one with a tanto bokken and I responded by hitting him when it failed to do anything. CNSD and shock and shatter are the two most effective methods of damaging an opponent. Like I said, most fighters have so much adrenaline going through them that pressure points are both hard to intiate and hard to have effect someone who is jumped up on adrenaline, or worse PCP. Only killing pressure points work, like the blocking of the cartoid arteries and other arterial stoppages, the ones designed to inflict pain are a bit crap unless you are against someone with a low pain tolerance. I guess that is where joint locks come in. Lulz. BTW the solar plexus is also a pressure point. (That spot under the rib cage, and I don't give a crap if your bruce lee, someone hitting a fist under your rib cage could damage your lungs or even your heart. In the real world, shock impact can seriously damage arteries). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2008 7:49:08 GMT
Solar plexus is a weak spot on anyone, agreed. There is also a small piece of bone on the bottom column of the rib cage that can break off and bounce around inside the body doing serious damage. If you do a straight ninjutsu hammer fist to the part of the ribcage protecting the heart, you compress the ribcage back into the heart causing the heart to stutter and to possibly cardiac arrest or if you want to get technical a miocardial enfarction. Depending on what you are trying to do there are appropriate points and areas of the body that will bring about your goal without needing a knife.
Oh and just cause you know ninjutsu doesn't guarantee that you will be able to defend yourself, I have known some street fighters who were good enough to beat any of the black belts running around these days.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 27, 2008 8:23:16 GMT
Solar plexus is a weak spot on anyone, agreed. There is also a small piece of bone on the bottom column of the rib cage that can break off and bounce around inside the body doing serious damage. If you do a straight ninjutsu hammer fist to the part of the ribcage protecting the heart, you compress the ribcage back into the heart causing the heart to stutter and to possibly cardiac arrest or if you want to get technical a miocardial enfarction. Depending on what you are trying to do there are appropriate points and areas of the body that will bring about your goal without needing a knife. Oh and just cause you know ninjutsu doesn't guarantee that you will be able to defend yourself, I have known some street fighters who were good enough to beat any of the black belts running around these days. In my town it will help with most people. It is not the fact that it is ninjutsu, but I have full confidence in myself and my capabilities. If I were to use a knife, I go for hands or eyes first, then the other places. I am not a fair fighter, I am not there to fight, I am there to hurt them as much as possible. |
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Jan 27, 2008 19:37:10 GMT
since some of you guys are knowledgable about pressure points and stuff, I got one for ya. Years back I was wrestling a budy of mine and he ended up punching me in the back, right in the middle and a little left of the spine, I was instantly paralyzed for a few seconds, like banging your "funny bone" in the elbow. Is this a nerve or something? Ive never been able to find it again, but I can tell you its a good way to stun someone for a few secs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2008 20:29:10 GMT
ramms got a point I got kicked out of school for an inch and ahalf pocket knife trust me they don't play.......depending on the size they might charge your parents to Things surely have changed from when I was in school (class of '89!). I went to high school in Philadelphia ( I was a navy brat), and I had to ride the subway all the way from the southernmost station (by the sports complex) north to the second-to-last station. A couple of things I learned quickly: (1) the best place to be is in the front car: it's where the conductor/operator is, and also it's where the cops tend to sit, and (2) you meet ALL SORTS of "interesting characters" on the subway or lurking in the station. I used to carry a jack-knife with a 4" blade that I got from Dixie Gunworks, an exact replica of one that was dug up at Valley Forge ( I used to be a 'powder monkey' in a RevWar artillery re-enactment crew at Fort Mifflin). It wasn't a lockback, but it had a stiff backspring and it would stop at 90 degrees opening or closing so it would have taken a pretty hard hit to get it to close on my fingers. This was in the days before "zero tolerance", so just posessing it wouldn't have gotten me suspended, andI figured if I had to use it suspension would have been better than the alternative... Heck, if I wanted to experiment with small quantities of explosives and incendiaries, all I had to do was tell my chemistry teacher what I wanted to do and he'd get me the chemicals and ask for a sample (plus a diagram showing the chemical reaction, if applicable). Nowadays, any kid making a similar request would be expelled and have the cops and the school shrink on him like stink on doggie diamonds! |
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