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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 5:12:02 GMT
s3th: I'm not attacking you mate, goodness knows that I adapt what I know to create my own techniques and there must be something to it because I have two students and a potential third one so they must see something in it. My main discipline is ninjutsu and it is very easy to adapt and make it your own. After all what martial arts is at it's core is the ability to make choices very fast, you can get taught all the moves in the book but unless you work it out so that it works for you, you will never truly be able to do your martial arts properly.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 29, 2008 5:29:30 GMT
Wow! Your also a Ninjutsu practitioner?! Woa! (No that is not sarcasm! ) Now that I know that, your opinions have a lot more meaning. It is good to know there are other people who also practice the art. Maybe this "Dim Mak" is just me attacking nerves and organs . It has worked on a few of my pals. Some more than others. I also am taking Karate. I do horrible in forms, but can almost hold my own against the brow belts in sparring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 6:02:51 GMT
I won't say what I think of most karate, but yes I am a practitioner of ninjutsu, I am studying under a guy who learned from masters in japan for six years and teaches privately handing down his skills to hand chosen students. He is also proficient in 28 other styles.
I would say that the Dim Mak you are practicing is attacking nerves and organs and I would say it is the same for all Dim Mak. It also depends on body types how those kind of strikes will affect your pals.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 29, 2008 6:04:20 GMT
True, If one thing doesn't work, I usually try something else. Like joint locks... Or just a plain beating! XD
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 6:08:15 GMT
I prefer mixed martial arts to having just one discipline because all martial arts can teach us something, well all real martial arts, too many have become sports and lost their original meaning and spirit. The ninjutsu I practice is in the true spirit of ninjutsu and not some sport based garbage, I have also done jujitsu which works well when mixed with ninjutsu techniques. I wasn't bragging when I said I could do more damage with my hands than a knife, but put a knife in my hands and I could do different kinds of damage I can't do with my hands.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 29, 2008 6:10:14 GMT
I practice the same kind of ninjutsu as well. WE actually had to use our belts and legs and cross this metal bar suspended from the ceiling. And although karate hhas lost it's original meaning, the forms can still teach me something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 6:14:09 GMT
True, one of my friends did something called zendokai and he showed me the different stances and I couldn't help but laugh, he wanted to know what was so funny. I told him to attack me and ever since I showed him why most of what he knows is kind of pointless he has been studying under me. The forms can teach you how to move but because they don't move like ninjutsu it might confuse you somewhat, I wouldn't mind trying aikido at some point, I like how steven seagal fights and would like to be able to do those particular moves and see if aikido is what it is cracked upto be.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 29, 2008 6:28:16 GMT
I thought that was kendo
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 6:38:39 GMT
No it is karate, kendo is kendo is kendo
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 29, 2008 14:14:03 GMT
True, one of my friends did something called zendokai and he showed me the different stances and I couldn't help but laugh, he wanted to know what was so funny. I told him to attack me and ever since I showed him why most of what he knows is kind of pointless he has been studying under me. The forms can teach you how to move but because they don't move like ninjutsu it might confuse you somewhat, I wouldn't mind trying aikido at some point, I like how steven seagal fights and would like to be able to do those particular moves and see if aikido is what it is cracked upto be. I think any martial art can help improve one's fighting style. For Example, I have gotten a semprini load better at sparing since karate. Which I think can be used practically if you know how. I also combine it with Tai Chi, a non-combat martial arts. I mainly practice it for a broader knowledge. But it is true, it is quite a bit different from ninjutsu. I also would like to try Aikido. But first Muay Thai. I also like Karate because it builds a solid grounding. Which in it's own ways, is useful. One of my friends said, "In a fight it is useless, what if the guy spears you?" I said "Then I will give him a side-thrust kick to the shoulder, his own weight and speed, in combination with my kick will probably dislocate his shoulder."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 15:04:20 GMT
s3th: I agree, but some elements work much better than others, karate does teach sparring however in my opinion you need another martial art to learn how to hit properly, another teach grappling, another to teach knife combat. So instead of building just one discipline you have lots of techniques you can fall back on. Tai Chi is absolutely a combat martial art, you just have to be skilled enough in it to learn how it is one. Ninjutsu has so many different elemental techniques that it is like learning 5 or 6 arts at once not just one. Aikido looks great for learning the mechanics of grappling and effortless techniques.
Karate does build a solid grounding in some regards but undermines in others. If the guy spears me and takes me to ground then I am going to break as many bones as I can or whiplash him in a headlock, or I am going to hammer his CNS so that I can get out from under it. I find many of the kicks, especially the high kicks impractical but then I am six foot three and it is hard to generate speed enough to use them effectively. Anything below the the waist is fine but again ninjutsu low kicks are far more effective than alot of the showy karate low kicks and the high kicks. Try savate and you will find out that karate kicks are not that effective when you use savate kicks. Muay Thai kicks are also more effective than karate, although it depends on what kind of karate you are doing as well.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 29, 2008 15:14:23 GMT
I freaked some people out when I worked on construction I was useing forward snap kicks and shin kicks to remove wall framing and studs (couldn't find a sledge)
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 29, 2008 15:21:22 GMT
s3th: I agree, but some elements work much better than others, karate does teach sparring however in my opinion you need another martial art to learn how to hit properly, another teach grappling, another to teach knife combat. So instead of building just one discipline you have lots of techniques you can fall back on. Tai Chi is absolutely a combat martial art, you just have to be skilled enough in it to learn how it is one. Ninjutsu has so many different elemental techniques that it is like learning 5 or 6 arts at once not just one. Aikido looks great for learning the mechanics of grappling and effortless techniques. Karate does build a solid grounding in some regards but undermines in others. If the guy spears me and takes me to ground then I am going to break as many bones as I can or whiplash him in a headlock, or I am going to hammer his CNS so that I can get out from under it. I find many of the kicks, especially the high kicks impractical but then I am six foot three and it is hard to generate speed enough to use them effectively. Anything below the the waist is fine but again ninjutsu low kicks are far more effective than alot of the showy karate low kicks and the high kicks. Try savate and you will find out that karate kicks are not that effective when you use savate kicks. Muay Thai kicks are also more effective than karate, although it depends on what kind of karate you are doing as well. Hmmm, I will keep that in mind... Thanks for the information. You seem to know what you are talking about so I will give it a try. BTW I take my ninjutsu far more seriously. And tai chi can be used in combat, but it isn't all that common.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 15:29:08 GMT
I take my ninjutsu seriously as well, especially when it comes to knife techniques, just because I really like knives and doing combat training with them. Tai Chi is brilliant, I do a form of Tai Chi that I developed myself to teach my body to move, I teach it to my students.
What karate do you take? Karate teaches you a front on stance doesn't it? I don't like front on stances, they leave you too open, better to use a side stance that makes your opponent think you are open with your leading leg as bait. Also it is easier to take advantage of an opponents positioning and striking when you are in a side on stance. I like the ninjutsu stances as well and the 45 degree movement is also highly effective but there is just something about a side on stance that works for my style.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 29, 2008 15:35:14 GMT
I prefer the side stance as well. I also prefer moving the front foot foreward, rather than the back foot backward. It feels more aggressive. I practice Tai Chi for fluidity mainly, and balance and flexibility. I like to combine soft and hard styles of martial arts. I also do karate for sport and exercise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 15:39:53 GMT
What school of karate are you taking? I like a crossed crane step stance as well, that one really confuses an opponent especially when you lead with the leading foot. Side on stance with leg forward is very aggressive and more dangerous to an opponent than to yourself because you know what you are going to do. Also a side on stance opens you up less and allows you to be manipulated less due to a lower centre of balance and a higher overall equilibrium. Also instead of stepping as most martial arts teach, I teach a slide step, that way the feet are always on the ground. Tai Chi is beautiful for balance and fluidity, I move about 50% faster because of the Tai Chi I developed for myself and my students and even my students, one of them being my ninjutsu instructor can tell the difference in their speed and fluidity. Also Tai Chi fluidity combined with knife fighting is a scary prospect especially when you are using water as your element and all your attacks are continuously flowing. The smoother you move the faster you move.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 29, 2008 15:57:23 GMT
You should post video for you movements. I wouldn't mind incorporating it into my practice. And as for what style... I have no clue! All I know is my sensai is at ShiHa level.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 16:02:18 GMT
If I get the opportunity I might, probably only for people who are really interested, it wouldn't be a mainstream thing or anything. I have no levels or rankings, I just do what I do and that in itself would make people question but I figure someone somewhen had to have come up with these originally, not to mention the fact I put no substance in grading when I see five your olds running around in black belts. Also you have to take into account that what I teach my students is completely lethal or it is debilitating to the point where it would be considered lethal force so I wouldn't want to advertise. If you are interested though I will see what I can come up with and if I can get my hands on a camera. If I do I will send you a PM.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 29, 2008 16:09:16 GMT
I understand your reasons. I am also against grading. I see our white belts doing much better than our brown belts. I believe people should be judged by talent, not memory.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 16:19:19 GMT
Or their money, alot of guys especially in ninjutsu these days pay to do their gradings which means whether they are crap or not they achieve it. One of the guys known to my instructor recently got his 15th dan in ninjutsu, we are talking supreme grandmaster level here and he has it without 70 years of experience behind him, bloody pathetic. How can you put any faith in a system that you can as good as bribe for any level of certification. Certification gives you the credentials to teach, most of the guys with credentials can't even pull off basic jumonji nakumai let alone teach worth a damn.
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