|
Post by rammstein on May 7, 2007 0:34:16 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2007 4:48:14 GMT
Two thumbs up! I printed that out and I'm gonna read it in bed tonight.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2007 19:02:15 GMT
Hello all, I mentioned a while back that there was a couple of articles about the British cavalry and the developement of that sword over on swordforum.com. I copied them to a file. Very interesting. The one about the 1796 sabre also has who designed it, and has some eyewitness accounts of the devestating wounds it inflicted on the French.
Also, I have a sword and spear demo DVD put out by Cold Steel where they do cutting and thrusting tests on some of their swords and spears. They cut the rolled up mats and sides of meat hanging up, etc.. Awesome! Among those demonstrated is the 1796 that they offer. The guy doing the demonstrating is the President of Cold Steel. He says that the 1796 British sabre is by far his favorite sabre in the whole world due to its handling and cutting capabilities. It definately looked awesome in his hands. Just thought y'all'd find that interesting. Take care, Freebooter
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2007 20:47:03 GMT
Speaking of videos of the 1796 (Light Cavalry Sword) in action, here is a cutting video from Schola Gladiatoria showing a multitude of single-handed swords, including the Cold Steel 1796. Just click on the link and scroll to the "Cutting Party" section, then click on "Single Handers": www.fioredeiliberi.org/scholadays/fight/featuredfights/Enjoy!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 2:14:49 GMT
Hey y'all, How well balanced is the 1796 and how does it stack up against the 1822 Napoleonic French sabre and the U.S. sabers of the 1860s as far as balance, heft, and handling goes? Anyone here ever handled all three of them and could answer that question? Iam curious about it and as to which was the best all round sabre as far as balance and fighting use goes. Thanks, FB
|
|
|
Post by rammstein on May 29, 2007 2:16:25 GMT
1796 heavy cavalry sword was NOT a very dextrous sword. It was heavily critisized for being unwieldy and cumbersome in action.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 2:40:35 GMT
According to an article I read that was because it was designed from the outset as a mainly cutting weapon. It was designed to inflict devastating cuts and from what I have read it did. I read that the French actually filed a formal complaint about its inhuman qualities ( who did they complain to before the Geneva convention?) FB
|
|
|
Post by ShooterMike on May 29, 2007 3:44:26 GMT
I don't know how close my Cold Steel 1796 copy is to the real thing, but I would definitely concur with Rammstein's assessment if it is a representative version. "Not very dexterous, unweildy and cumbersome" are pretty accurate. But it cuts like a demon!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 4:05:03 GMT
According to an article I read that was because it was designed from the outset as a mainly cutting weapon. It was designed to inflict devastating cuts and from what I have read it did. I read that the French actually filed a formal complaint about its inhuman qualities ( who did they complain to before the Geneva convention?) FB This is a myth that has been erroneously repeated in literature on the 1796 light cavalry sword. I cannot remember the originator of this story, but I do remember that no source was cited. For some great info on the 1796 swords, visit www.swordsandpistols.co.uk and visit the research section. There are several excellent articles on these swords and more. Added: Also check out the photo galleries at Swords and Pistols. The 1796 Heavy Cavalry Officer's swords are quite attractive.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 18:03:52 GMT
I did not mean to come across as a know-it-all in my last post, and I apologize if I did. I just wanted to point out that this story of French complaints began somewhere and was unsubstantiated. This innacuracy has enjoyed a snowball effect: subsequent articles and books have cited this story based on the source that first published it (Might have been a Frederick Wilkinson book?). Most people don't have access to the latest research that debunks the story, so it is therefore easy to take this story as true. I did not know it was untrue until recently. If you check out the articles in the link I posted above you will have access to some of the latest research on this topic.
|
|
|
Post by ShooterMike on May 29, 2007 18:22:31 GMT
Spadroon,
I don't think you came across that way at all. I also knew this was an "urban legend" and had not been proven. I understand it is one of those things circulated after English troopers commented about comments French prisoners had made to them regarding how frightening the English sabers were to them.
|
|
|
Post by rammstein on May 29, 2007 18:27:40 GMT
Spadroon, you are most certainly not a know-it-all. Well you are, but I mean that in a good way - you're a great source of information that is quelled rather than repeated over and over again. Why be apologetic ?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 19:27:35 GMT
Note that we seem to be discussing two different swords here. The 1796 Heavy Cavalry Saber and the 1796 Light Cavalry Saber are two different animals. The Heavy www.militaryheritage.com/images/1796hc_1.jpgThe Light www.militaryheritage.com/images/1796lc_1.jpgThose who've seen the Sharpe's series with Sean Bean will recognize the Heavy version, which is prominently featured. WHile the Light is no fencing saber, I'd imagine the Heavy is even more unweildy. Never having handled the Heavy, this is a guess on my part, but the Heavy at least looks more cumbersome.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 19:44:02 GMT
Note that we seem to be discussing two different swords here. The 1796 Heavy Cavalry Saber and the 1796 Light Cavalry Saber are two different animals. To me, the 1796 heavy cavalry is not cumbersome. Mine is no more cumbersome than my English basket-hilted dragoon sword. I can imagine that the hatchet point was not as desireable as a spear point, but overall it is not a heavy or awkward weapon. It is not as pretty as the 1796 light cavalry sword or the French swords of the era, but it's not a bad weapon(it may be the most un-elegant sword the British devised, but I like it). Easy to say, I suppose, when I've never had to use it in it's intended role!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 19:50:40 GMT
Thanks, spadroon. It shows how deceiving looks can be. The Heavy just looks so beefy, that I've always imagined it as being heavy, slow, etc. It definitely isn't as elegant as many other period sabers, but it does look very purposeful and menacing.
|
|
|
Post by rammstein on May 29, 2007 21:09:43 GMT
Where could I go about buying a 1796 heavy cavalry sword?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 21:50:44 GMT
|
|
|
Post by rammstein on May 29, 2007 21:58:06 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 23:05:18 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2007 3:01:08 GMT
Cold Steel also offers a 1796 British sabre, but now I can't remember if it is a light or heavy. FB
|
|