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Post by THE_SUPERWEIRDO on Jun 27, 2013 3:44:19 GMT
And yet I'm going to sound like a broken record (For those who remembered my trilogy of archery threads filled with a volley of questions) but I'm at the state of having nothing to buy and spare money that I would like to spend on something fun and worthwhile (Which is archery...) But a sense of remorse and reluctancy came over me when I thought I'll be better off with this longbow. After researching a bit and a bit of thinking, I sort of want to start on archery on a different route: With a recurve? :mrgreen: Well, basically, all I want out of a bow is a low price (Sub-$100 would be perfect...), the ability to last after maybe years of use, and something easy to use. Adding to that, I think I can handle 45lbs and my draw length is somewhere around 28". Most importantly, I want to avoid compounds... Compounds doesn't seem like a "bow" in my view. As for arrows, I want to use inexpensive, durable arrows, like fiberglass arrows or aluminum. This is also one of the reasons why I backed off of the longbow, thinking a longbow with aluminum or fiberglass arrows is somewhat a dangerous and/or improper combo. So, with that out of the way, do you guys perhaps have good recommendations of bows and arrows that are cheap and reliable? Or perhaps help me in my own remorse with my current decision with a longbow and some modern arrows? I would appreciate any help and thanks in advance
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Post by Onimusha on Jun 27, 2013 4:02:42 GMT
I had a 68# version of that longbow. I shot it for 2 years with carbon arrows. As long as you unstring it at the end of your shooting sessions and lay it down flat, it will last a good while. They don't make fiberglass arrows anymore, except for kids' bows. Aluminum arrows are very easy to bend. You'll be hard pressed to find a recurve bow of 45# or more for less than $100, e even on the used market. Wood arrows are cheaper than carbon, but they require more maintenance. They'll have to be straightened periodically and are easier to break. The Martin jaguar can be had for less than $150.
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Post by THE_SUPERWEIRDO on Jun 27, 2013 4:36:43 GMT
Hmm... Is that so? Well, does seem my choice was the best after all? But changing it with carbon arrows instead... So does carbon arrows come in different spines then? To accommodate different poundages? If so, the search for an abundance of 45# carbon arrows at the lowest price would seem harder to find then the bow...
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Post by LeFaust on Jun 27, 2013 5:04:42 GMT
There are magyar style bows on ebay for under 100 under chinese sellers such as handmade bow. Ordered one bow from them and customized it, they sent wrong bow so they sent me another one free of charge so now i have 2 perfectly fine recurve bows I also have a longbow from kp archery even though the poundage on my longbow is lower i find my chinese recurve bow easier to pull.
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Post by THE_SUPERWEIRDO on Jun 27, 2013 5:10:59 GMT
Sounds interesting. What's the name of the company? And how long has your bows from them lasted?
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Post by Onimusha on Jun 27, 2013 5:16:56 GMT
Carbons don't really come in different spine ranges. If you get a bow that is centershot (arrow sits in the center of the bow) it won't matter so much. I got away with using them with a longbow, I think, because I was using a heavy weight bow with a narrow profile. If you go with that bow in 45#, I'd recommend wooden arrows. Not that carbons will cause any harm. They'll just shoot like crap. I'll dig around and see what I can find. If you go into the $150 range, you can get centershot bows. As long as you don't shoot rocks with the wood arrows, they'll last. If you're just going to shoot as a backyard hobby, that bow will work just fine. You can hunt with a 45# in most places as well. Just know, that bow, being made of sapwood, won't last more than a couple years or so. It could be less, depending on how much you shoot.
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Post by Onimusha on Jun 27, 2013 5:20:44 GMT
I've been wondering about those myself. That type of bow has a bit of letoff, like a compound. A 45# horsebow, such as those, is said to shoot as fast as a 55# longbow, while being easier to draw. I'd like to hear of your experience as well. I can't seem to find any detailed reviews.
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Post by THE_SUPERWEIRDO on Jun 27, 2013 5:35:21 GMT
Thanks, Onimusha! I'm not planning on having the longbow forever, I do plan on upgrading on the later years, probable somewhere around the sub-200 range. So just for future reference, do you know any good longbows at this range? If not, then how about some recurve longbow-ish type of bow?
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Post by chrisperoni on Jun 27, 2013 5:53:41 GMT
I picked up a greatree firefox, extra string, arm guard, stringer & 12 arrows for my wife for around $200. it's a great set up. check out andover archery
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Post by Onimusha on Jun 27, 2013 5:57:57 GMT
In the sub $200 range, you'll still be dealing with self bows (bows made from 1 piece of wood), but they'll be made from older trees. I've heard of some lasting 6 or 7 years when cared for properly. Here's a linen backed bow that's made by a company called rudder bows archery. This site has several options in that price range. www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-2 ... gbow.aspx# Edit: I just took a look at the Andover archery site. Their laminated longbows look good. They're not so "traditional", with their arrow shelfs and grip shapes, but, being laminated with fiberglass, they'll probably outlast you. You'll wear out many arrows before you wear out a bow such as those. Also, being centershot, they'll work perfectly well with carbon arrows. The bad news is that my Christmas list just got longer.
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Post by THE_SUPERWEIRDO on Jun 27, 2013 14:27:43 GMT
Is this the link? After looking over them, I saw a lot of options I didn't understand... But the price sure attracts me, this is low enough for me to quickly start with them :shock: So how long so far has this lasted on you? And as usual, I think arrows will come seperatley, so what arrows come with such bows?
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Post by LeFaust on Jun 27, 2013 15:28:54 GMT
This was the Chinese eBay store i was talking about. stores.ebay.com/HandMadeBowPig skin covered bows are the cheapest but you can also get snakeskin/leather covered bows for around $80.
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Post by Onimusha on Jun 27, 2013 17:50:45 GMT
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Post by THE_SUPERWEIRDO on Jun 27, 2013 18:37:32 GMT
Woah, aren't their longbows expensive.... It seems they posted little amount of pics of their long bow collection And their price for around under $200 is not bad, considering all I found in the internet for other longbows were a staggering $700+ (A price I would rather save up for a sword :mrgreen: ) But like most common people, I never have that much money, so I guess my best bet for a better bow than the bow from Kp Archery is the longbow from Andover Archery...
Although, I can get a "Longbow" with a 66" recurve from Andover... I hear that you can get the best of both of longbows and recurves by having a long bow with recurve limbs, is that right? (I believe they're called hybrid bows?)
Though overall, still confused with what the draw lengths of these bows are, I might just ask customer service...
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Post by Onimusha on Jun 27, 2013 18:56:40 GMT
if you look underneath the pictures on Andover, The weights are listed as "@ 28"". 55#@ 28" means that the weight for a 28" draw length is 55#. Longbow and recurve draw lengths aren't fixed like a compound. If you draw that 55#@28" bow to 30", the draw weight will be heavier. You can get a lot of good English longbows for $150 or less, but those Andover bows will last longer. The Martin Jaguar is $150, but it's a compound bow riser with recurve limbs. I get the impression that you want something more traditional.
The longbows with recurved ends are usually called reflex longbows. A good example is the Bear Montana (an excellent bow, but outside your price range). They'll stoot a bit faster than a standard longbow while maintaining the forgiving nature and smoothness of the longbow. The Andover bows look to have a bit of reflex.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Jun 27, 2013 21:16:37 GMT
One would hope not, since recurve and reflex mean different things. "Recurve" means that the tip of the limb is bent forwards (i.e., away from the archer), and "reflex" means that the whole limb is bent forwards or curved forwards (when unstrung). "Decurve" and "deflex" mean that the tips or the limb are bent back. People make recurve-deflex bows (and it is possible, in principle, to have decurve-reflex, but I've never seen it).
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Post by THE_SUPERWEIRDO on Jun 27, 2013 21:36:54 GMT
A big facepalm I deserve for not noticing the "@28" near the pics... Anyway, you're correct, I'm looking for something simple and traditional out of a bow, but that doesn't mean I'll be stuck with one piece, un-laminated bows, I also would like to see modern versions of traditional style bows, hoping it last a long while. Especially if they came with an arrow shelf or something to help a beginner start off. :mrgreen: Also, I have been looking into more and more brands (And helplessly adding more choices for me) Like the Martin Bows (Martin Savannah looks more like a long bow to me ), because what attracts me to the Martins is I think I can get this at some dealer rather than waiting for it in the mail, like buying it in Bass Pro Shop. Until I looked at the pricing of them... Though, I am pretty set on getting an Andover bow, maybe like the Solo Black Longbow, but being the guy who likes the lower prices, the target recurves in around 58-60" long is what I'm looking at getting, it's just the many options confuse me, and I'm guessing the draw length is around 28"? :? As best as possible, I want to get simple gear around $200, so the bow should be the expensive thing.. So in actuality, I'm trying to look for a bow at the max price of $150
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Post by Onimusha on Jun 28, 2013 0:35:54 GMT
There's that linen backed (linen laminated with resin onto red oak) bow I showed for $130. Those longbowmaker horsebows are fiberglass laminated. For the most part, a new $150 or less bow is going to keep you in the selfbow market. A good self bow, made from an older tree (you should see two colors of wood), can last a long time. I've heard of people using them for a decade. With any of the bows you're considering, you'll want feathers on your arrows, not plastic vanes. Here's something you might consider. www.woodbows.com/products/bamboo ... s-at-28-in
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Post by THE_SUPERWEIRDO on Jun 28, 2013 1:20:06 GMT
Thanks for more choices! With so many choices, I may as well end up with 2-3 bows in the future, hehe -_- But for some weird reason, I randomly got attracted to the Samick Sage I found at 3riversarchery.... And such a nice starter bow I heard from countless reviews, and the fact maybe I can get it cheaper with a coupon code... This maybe my perfect first starter bow :mrgreen: But that doesn't mean I'll stop there, I may just buy a longbow, maybe the one you recommended from woodbows (I bookmarked it for future reference ) That settle, I'm confused with the specs that carbon arrows need for ordering... Like what spine it or the tip weight (Yet, I'm confused if these arrows do come with tips {Yep, I think I'm going crazy}) But I do know that I just need the arrows around 29" for a 28" draw, right? Maybe it just seems I'm learning too much too fast :oops:
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Post by Onimusha on Jun 28, 2013 1:24:18 GMT
Those arrows you linked are great arrows. I'd get them as long as they come. No, they don't come with tips. I like 125 grains myself. just make sure you have feathers put on the arrows and not plastic vanes. Yes, the samick sage is a great starter bow. You'll want the 3555/500 arrows. Make sure you get a stringer, finger glove or tab, and an armguard.
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