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Post by grahamts on Oct 23, 2007 22:26:14 GMT
I thought you guys would like to know of the tragic accident which lead to the death of an experienced reenactor during a joust, details are here: www.hoplites.org/HAnews.htm
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2007 22:32:40 GMT
I thought you guys would like to know of the tragic accident which lead to the death of an experienced reenactor during a joust, details are here: www.hoplites.org/HAnews.htmGodspeed to him. He died doing what he loved.
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 24, 2007 1:35:53 GMT
An unfortunate reminder that it is a dangerous game which we play, whether it be backyard cutting or full-blown re-enactment, even when personal safety is the topmost priority in our activities, we as humans are not beyond risk. I'm sure this man understood this, as did all those around him, and would bear no grudges in his own passing. If I had to choose how I'd go, it would likely be very similar to this.
I have no idea who this man is, had never heard his name until now, but I would seek to extend my deepest condolences to friends, family, and fans. No man should die in re-enactment, but as stated, there is always the chance. The passing of this man will stand to me as a reminder that no matter the care taken, accidents happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 7:33:39 GMT
Yeah, I heard about it through the MSR grapevine. That is one of the organizations I fight in that does Jousting too. I think is just a case of very bad luck. I think your have better chance of an airplane falling on top of you then catching a woodsplinter in the eye and actually dieing from it while jousting. It is also more likely to break your neck and die just by falling from the horse. He died a week later so I think it must have been an infection that got him. I am actually rather surprised that in the SCA and MSR we are not required to wear gargles under our helmets. I have considered the possibility many times of someone resting his sword-tip on the ground, getting some dirt on it, then hitting me and sending dirt straight into my eye. I have prescriptions gargles but I can't get them into my helmet. I decided a while ago that my next helmet will have a removable grill so I can get my gargles on. Aside from the safety issue, I will be able to see better because they are prescriptions. My condolences to his family. Here is a more detailed story: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7056583.stm
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 24, 2007 8:47:26 GMT
Somehow this is beginning to remind me of a very similar incident which occured long ago, I believe it was a king. I can't remember the name, but I recall it being believed that it was a possible fulfillment of some prophecy, possibly by Nostradamus (spelled that wrong but I'm sure you all know who I mean). The odds given in that "history" (I don't even know if it's a true story anymore, somebody enlighten me?) were outrageously slim. I believe the odds of it happening twice, even over several hundred years, is enough for SOMEBODY'S head to explode.
Anybody familiar with the incident I'm thinking of?
Not to bring the focus away fron the poor soul this thread was started over, but it really reminds me of something I saw on the History Channel or something...
Ah, found some info:
History of Jousting - the Death of a King A Jousting event resulted in the death of the French King Henry II (1519 - 1599). Henry II was an avid participant in jousting tournaments. A jousting tournament had been arranged by the King to celebrate the Peace Treaty of Cateau-Cambresis and to celebrate the marriage of his daughter Elizabeth of Valois to King Philip II of Spain. On July 1, 1559 King Henry participated in a jousting contest against Gabriel Montgomery, captain of the King's Scottish Guard. The eye of King Henry was pierced by a sliver that penetrated the brain, from the shattered lance of Montgomery. The injury was terrible and he died an agonising death despite the efforts of the royal surgeon Ambroise Pare on July 10, 1559. Earlier fatalities at Jousting Tournaments included the death of Geoffrey, Count of Brittany, Son on Henry II, who waskilled in 1186 and Leopold, Duke of Austria, who was slain by a fallen horse in 1194.
I have proceeded to forget what site I found this on. I should go find it again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 12:30:01 GMT
Hey Random, I totally remember seeing that show too. that is mind boggling how the same thing could happen nearly 500 years later. AssFu#%ingStounding!
I'd like to know what kind of helmet he was wearing though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 16:30:47 GMT
Just to keep things in perspective, there is a more common risk of falling of a horse and breaking a neck.
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 24, 2007 18:15:45 GMT
Just to keep things in perspective, there is a more common risk of falling of a horse and breaking a neck. This being my own inevitable fate upon attempting to mount a horse, I can easil see how much more likely it is. As I've said, the odds of the incident occuring are outrageous, the odds of it happening twice, even in 500 years, will break your brain. At any rate, very sad thing.
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Post by rammstein on Oct 24, 2007 20:20:46 GMT
And if that doesn't do it, the splinter sure will.
Poor fellow. At least he died doing what he loved. I can't think of a cooler way to go, honestly....shame he had to go at all, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 20:48:09 GMT
I spoke with a few jousters on an MSR list. The idea or wearing gorgols is out of the question. They say they know the risks and as adults can make up their own minds on how much risk to take. I can respect that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 22:06:19 GMT
Just had a thought. I mean it's sad that he died but then people die playing football and baseball. I wish nothing but respect for him and hope his family is well during this time.
I do wonder if jousting or SCA/ARMA/etc combat is safer than those two sports (baseball and football) ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2007 5:53:43 GMT
I think reenactment is one of the safest sports one can undertake if it is on foot, horses add a whole new element of risk
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