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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 15:25:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 15:53:38 GMT
Jonathan: actually i have a fair bit of martial arts experience under my belt and i am looking at the bat'leth not in a fictional capacity but looking at it with the eyes of a martial artist who has been using many different weapons for years. Darth Maul's blade can be made in a real world capacity just with steel instead of laserbeamness. You could probably make a bat'leth from real world steels if you strategically placed cutouts to lighten the blade. I already presented weapons such as monk spades, they are highly effective double ended weapons. The bat'leth is based on the mechanics of staff, axe, sword and shield. There are many ways you can use a bat'leth and switching grips happens alot with spears and staves and the monk spade. Or how about the sun, earth moon and star weapon? That is alot like a bat'leth in the mechanics of its use. Also a spear with buttspike/cap can be used as a double ended weapon, the cap doesn't necessarily get used as a back up. The weapon i specialize in is staff weapons so i can see where you could apply those techniques with a bat'leth. As far as i know from ramm he has some fencing training and possibly some european sword training? As far as i know he doesn't have much if any training in staff weapons or pole weapons or dagger fighting or axe fighting. An example of a highly effective chinese staff weapon
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 16:07:10 GMT
Thanks for the clarification and pic!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 16:16:55 GMT
here is another one The egyptians also had a staff weapon with double ended razor sharp crescents that relied on rapidly twirling the staff in figure eights as one of the main forms of attack.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 16:24:25 GMT
One last one before i go to bed;
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 16:25:15 GMT
and how about this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 16:27:56 GMT
although the one used in The series Enterprise seams a bit more practical
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 16:30:57 GMT
Yep basically like that but a crescent on either end and the crescents are wider.
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Post by rammstein on Oct 25, 2007 19:03:13 GMT
Interesting way of proving a point. I believe it just did far more harm than good in your argument.
Stay ignoarant. There's a reason why you don't see theses weapons in reality other than VERY specialized dueling, as Jonathan said. Bloodwraith those weapons you posted are a FAR cry from "highly effective" at least in a battlefield purpose (which is all I really care about applying things like this to other than longsword/I.33/and SCA single combat).
Agree to disagree. I just know I'm right ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 19:40:06 GMT
Planning on fighting any wars with melee weapons Ram? I'm personally more interested in the duel, but regardless, skills in one help skills in the other. Anyway, as already said, the weight of bat'leths keeps them from being used in reality. Had we access to a material that was lighter, I'm sure they could be used as an effective weapon. Also, take a look at these things: Some double weapons: Big weapons, handled simlarly to bat'leths: All courtesy of Meister Talhoffer
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Post by rammstein on Oct 25, 2007 19:47:40 GMT
Senn all of those at some point in my internet surfing, but interesting nonetheless. I believe Jonathon brought up dueling shields before, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 21:04:27 GMT
I have seen those pictures from Talhofer and similar ones in the Gladiatoria. They bring out the extent to which people did use a large assortment of unique weapons throughout history. Only the most common ones survived or were featured in art.
The Chinese staff weapons that Bloodwraith posted is close enough in design to pass for batleth. They Star Trek version would be used in a similar manor to the Chinese original. So that answers my question: If Batleths were used in human history.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2007 2:15:04 GMT
Ramm: i find it funny that you call me ignorant when you are the one who is overlooking the fact that the weapons i showed you would be good in a battlefield situation or whatever you want to call it. What i thought you would understand about battlefields is that lots of different units and weapons work together. As to you being right, well lets just say that i respect that you know alot about european weapons but i'm not sure that you know crap about chinese weapons, and i draw this opinion from the ignorance you are showing about the weapons i posted. I would like to see you longsword or your sword and shield or even your SCA combat against some of these chinese weapons. Next thing i know it you will be trying to argue how ineffective the naginata or yari were. Tsafa: The Bat'leth was originally designed from weapons called deer horn knives which are used in pairs and are highly effective. Hope i'm not causing anyone offence, most of all Rammstein, i just like to fire up and prove my point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2007 17:09:20 GMT
Northern style batleth set:
Reminds me of Darth Maul.
Defensive moves are for WOMEN!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2007 20:08:56 GMT
That was silly. Especially all the spinning and foot slapping.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2007 21:25:57 GMT
That was silly. Especially all the spinning and foot slapping. Normally, when people fight, there is at least one other person. Looks pretty silly when there's only one guy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2007 15:11:59 GMT
biggest problem is the lack of exactness to his movements. Tends to make it feel lazy or weak.
That and it looks like he almost drops it a couple of times
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2007 0:09:54 GMT
That was silly. Especially all the spinning and foot slapping. Agreed - nice flow but poor power and LOTS of openings. There are several spots where if his hit had been dodged or parried that he would have been completely screwed. Ancalagon
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2007 3:04:38 GMT
Agreed with most of what has been said, however having said that there are alot of martial arts where spins are incorporated especially with long weapons. The foot slapping was a bit strange but again there are martial arts that use some elements like that. Geez that batleth is light, must be made out of wood or something?
I really need to make one of these things as they are really intriguing me after having this discussion, a very interesting weapon indeed *strokes chin and starts plotting*
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 4, 2007 3:11:28 GMT
Just don't hurt yourself, "safety officer." Not one for Star Trek, or any SciFi, but I am intrigued at the potential applications of one of these, having read this thread (out of pure boredom) in its entirety.
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