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Post by Kilted Cossack on Jan 8, 2013 19:56:59 GMT
This isn't the one someone----randomnobody?----was looking for earlier, it's gone, but I think it's a fair replacement, and when I found it I hurried to post it here. (That's just the kind of guy I am.)
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Post by Onimusha on Feb 14, 2013 7:54:03 GMT
I noticed that those early sabers didn't have knuckle guards and bear a striking resemblance to shamshirs. I'm learning that "saber" is a very broad term that really encompasses single edged swords. Anyway, great video.
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Post by Luka on Feb 14, 2013 12:15:08 GMT
Knuckleguards were there by the first half of the 17th century, they were found on the battlefield of Berestecko battle, 1651. Earlier sabers looked like scimitar/shamshir and were called karabela or like those later ones with knuckleguards, but without knuckleguards and some with very long pointed crossguards.
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Post by junon on Feb 14, 2013 12:58:52 GMT
Nice video...
Remind me about the elusive karabela... Anyone know who can make a decent karabela (preferably under $1000)?
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Feb 14, 2013 13:27:12 GMT
Onimusha: My working hypothesis is that, like the spawn of Genghis Khan, the blade we call a saber is mostly descended from the Turco-Mongolian cavalry sword. Over at Viking Sword, I ran across a German definition (don't have it to hand right now) which emphasized the canted or recurved nature of the grip as an essential element of the saber. Take, for example, a liu ye dao willow leaf saber----you don't have to squint too hard to see that nomadic horse-archer influence. Junon: The easiest way to get a good karabela would be to throw money at John Lundemo. On the other hand, I think I saw a nice saber recently posted by the fellows at Baltimore Knife and Sword, and there's a whole passel of Eastern European makers. I'm always tempted to go with one of them, since the prices are more in line with SBG standards, but I just don't know much about them. szabla.e.pl/
www.miecz-sword.com/www.szablapolska.com/(And others) |
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 16, 2013 1:31:30 GMT
Whoops, I should pay more attention to this part of the forum.
I remember some very nice videos about Polish sabers and the ilk, this one i think I have seen before. It's still nice to watch (and listen to, even) each time. Very nice.
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Feb 16, 2013 17:37:16 GMT
Nice video.  The saber made by Ilya. The one from BKS. I have more photos of it in progress and stuff, but I would like to ask Ilya if it is ok to post them first. He did all the chisel work and etching by hand. BTW many of the sabers with out D or Z shaped guards found in museums and such could posiably have had a chain guard. Attachments:
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Feb 16, 2013 18:11:18 GMT
That's a nice saber----and the one that had caught my eye----but it's not a karabela. At least, per my understanding (and I could be wrong), a karabela does have an abbreviated cross guard, full tang construction and a trilobate "bird's head" pommel set-up.
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Feb 16, 2013 18:26:49 GMT
No it is not a karabela karabela hilt Attachments:
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Post by Onimusha on Feb 17, 2013 1:25:25 GMT
I was looking at this site. fabri-armorum.com/english/?id=savle.phpthey make some nice looking stuff at a decent price. That page shows a karabela. Kultofathena has their "Hungarian Saber" in stock.  |
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Post by Elheru Aran on Feb 17, 2013 2:04:23 GMT
As I understand it, Fabri Armorum mainly makes sparring blunts. You can, however, get an apparently very nice sharp version if you ask them nicely...
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Post by Onimusha on Feb 17, 2013 2:20:25 GMT
Yeah, they are sparring blunts. I like that saber. I wonder if it is tempered to hold an edge if I sharpen it. By the way, are the specs on that thing about right for that type of sword?
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Feb 17, 2013 3:07:28 GMT
More or less They varied quite alot. see picts. |
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Feb 17, 2013 15:03:38 GMT
Onimusha: I've found that a quick e-mail to Ryan Whittlinger can give really good results. If you're interested in it, shoot him a quick 'un. Ask, I don't know, how thick the edge is, what his impression of it is in the hand, how hard it would be for a skilled amateur to turn it into a live blade.
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Post by Onimusha on Feb 17, 2013 18:58:27 GMT
Who is that?
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Post by Elheru Aran on Feb 17, 2013 19:36:48 GMT
Head honcho, or something like that, at KoA. I think you write "ryan@kultofathena.com" or something like that? He's a pretty decent fellow about responding quickly to customer service and such...
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Feb 17, 2013 19:55:09 GMT
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Post by TheNewDavout on Feb 17, 2013 23:02:48 GMT
I've had the pleasure of dealing with him in person, very helpful.
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Post by John P on Feb 18, 2013 7:05:27 GMT
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Post by John P on Feb 18, 2013 17:40:05 GMT
a very good article on Polish fencing. www.swordforum.com/forums/conten ... ing-Art%29 I have been doing my cross cuts as an "X" but I think now that I should work in some that look like a "T" |
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