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Post by Alexander on Jul 29, 2012 10:04:22 GMT
With the movie coming out I was doing a search to find images of the movie sword when I came upon a interesting discussion on another board about what it might have looked like. www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... -Look-Like It is a fun discussion being the swords where prominent in the book but not much description went with them. So I thought I'd see what you guys thought. I had always seen sting at least as a one sided blade with a finger loop in the guard because of the Rankin and Bass cartoon of the 70's. So I am at least happy about the movie because it wiped out that image of the sword. |
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Post by Aaron on Jul 29, 2012 10:48:28 GMT
I think it would have been a single-handed leaf blade, similar in look to Glamdring but smaller and easier for a dwarf to use.
Christian Fletcher's "Maeglas" with the current BKS blade is a perfect example of what I think Orcrist should have looked like. It was said in the books to be a sister blade to Glamdring, yet they chose to make it more similar to Sting. Just seemed like an odd and pointless production change.
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Post by Kuya on Jul 29, 2012 11:18:19 GMT
We'll find out soon enough when "The Hobbit" comes out.
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Post by Aaron on Jul 29, 2012 13:40:02 GMT
There are already pictures of the film's version of Orcrist.
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Post by Kristie on Jul 29, 2012 13:48:50 GMT
And that version pretty much kind of stinks, IMO. :cry:
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Post by Kuya on Jul 29, 2012 13:53:46 GMT
Then I guess the original question has been answered. Once it all hits the theaters and the masses, the way it is in the movie will be the definitive Orcrist look. Kinda like today, good luck selling and marketing a Narsil/Anduril sword that doesn't look like the ones in the movie. Exception to the rule would be that one made by Fabled Blades... but it still looks similar to the movie version in shape and style, albeit more detailed.
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Post by Dampiel on Jul 29, 2012 19:31:48 GMT
The movie Orcrist is total crap. Even before PJ's movies Glamdring and Orcrist were two handed leaf blades for me Glamdring being Turgon's sword would be a bit fancier than Orcrist you know a Kings sword vs one for a Lord.
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Post by jhart06 on Jul 29, 2012 21:46:22 GMT
I always pictured Orcrist as being a shorter blade when I first read the books, but now I think it would probably be a 'mate' in design and looks, not necessarily being paired for use.
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Post by Aaron on Jul 30, 2012 10:48:14 GMT
When I called it a single-handed sword, I meant for someone of human or elf stature, which would make a little longer for a dwarf but not unbearably so. Perhaps, for Thorin, it would have been more akin to a bastard sword. Held at the right angle, I don't think carrying it would have been an issue. I have to laugh when I see people say it should be a copy of Glamdring. Yes, they were made by the same smith and are described as sister blades, but I believe it was meant only that they were similar in style/appearance as well as abilities. Plus, given the size of the film's version of Glamdring, it would be laughable to see Thorin lugging a similarly-sized sword around. I still believe it was a poor decision to base its appearance on Sting rather than Glamdring, as well as making it a single-edged blade. It is, in my opinion, incredibly ugly. But the sword is not the focus of the story so I will hopefully not be too distracted by my disgust.  |
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Post by jhart06 on Jul 30, 2012 13:15:52 GMT
I think single edge is fine, actually, as it's name is translating to 'cleaver'
Fun bit of trivia, who in Gondolin was this sword most likely made for and used by before it's fall?
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Post by MOK on Jul 31, 2012 9:15:45 GMT
Yes, he has a back scabbard. You could see the sling and the mouth of it over his right shoulder in the very first character portrait they released...  ...and this later production still gives a direct view.  |
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Post by john570 on Aug 2, 2012 22:36:29 GMT
Personally i think any one of the swords Brendan from fable blades did from the Tolkien books is way closer to how i always pictured Orcrist then the movie version. Then as jhart06 said she is called goblin cleaver so the single edged (bolo shape) blade does fit even though i as most of you grow up with it as a leaf shape blade in our heads. Its been so long since i read any of Tolkiens books how does the hobbit describe Orcrist?
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Post by Elheru Aran on Aug 2, 2012 22:47:32 GMT
It doesn't. Tolkien was not huge on describing things in their entirety; he'd describe *aspects* of things. For example, "he lifted his sword, and the blade shone with white fire"... that's about it. Tells you the blade's shiny, and that's it. No helpful stuff like "the blade was as long as Thorin's arm, with a straight spine above a gently curved edge". Kind of why everybody's been able to spin up their own interpretations of these things...
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Post by MOK on Aug 2, 2012 23:35:08 GMT
Actually, I for one always pictured all the swords in Hobbit and LotR as Medieval cruciform types, up until the movies. In my head, the Rohirrim were full blown knights in shining mail and heraldic surcoats and great helms, and the wood elves in Hobbit had more of a merry men of Sherwood vibe (complete with tights!) than the pseudo-Celtic thing that's now become the default.  It's pretty and has gems on the hilt and runes somewhere, same as Glamdring. |
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Post by john570 on Aug 3, 2012 1:20:12 GMT
Does anyone have any pics of Orcrist from the movie like the whole blade or just the pic of (the Klingon) Thorin holding it?
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Post by Elheru Aran on Aug 3, 2012 4:31:58 GMT
I think there's just a few stills from production videos and that one picture of Thorin so far... oh yeah, there's a picture of the prop in a display at (I think) Comic-Con, but not sure where I saw that... sorry!
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Post by MOK on Aug 3, 2012 8:28:05 GMT
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Aug 3, 2012 9:25:38 GMT
I was about to say the same thing before I saw your PS; that grip is just wonky. I'm not a huge fan of the guard, but I can live with it. The blade shape, however, is quite pleasing.
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Post by jcbarnett on Aug 3, 2012 12:46:03 GMT
I too have always pictured all the swords in Hobbit and LotR as Medieval cruciform types. The books were written in 1937 and the fantasy swords of the day were more typical of style to the King Arthur legend. Modern fantasy blades have always looked ridiculous to me. When I read the books in the 1960's, I imagined the swords to be much more medieval in nature with their roots in British mythology rather than the current crop of cartoon swords.
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Post by Neil G. on Aug 3, 2012 13:13:40 GMT
I've always envisioned both Orcrist and Glamdring to be long, slender leaf blades. Something about elves has always screamed leaf blade to me, even before the LOTR movies came out. I was actually quite pleased with how they made Glamdring look in those films as it always kind of jivved with my mental image.
That being said I really do like the way the folks at WETA Workshops managed to establish a distinct aesthetic for each of the races/cultures etc. and I really kinda got behind the idea of elven blades being single edged slashing weapons, the best interpretations of which are IMO John Ludermo's Silvia Ringare or the "Lionguard".
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