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Post by thatguy on Feb 18, 2012 19:41:25 GMT
I have been debating commissioning my own version of Ice from Game of Thrones and feel that the sword Eddard uses to execute the runner from the wall and is later decapitated with is a better interpretation than the commercially available replica. I've gotten some pics from the show to work with but I haven't been able to find specific measurements regarding the blade, hilt, or guard. I'm tempted to put the blade at three inches wide because that's as wide as I'm comfortable with. Still at something at a loss with how long the blade should be or the hilt and guard lengths. Anyone have that information or know where I could get it? |
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Post by Aaron on Feb 18, 2012 19:48:47 GMT
Since there aren't (to my knowledge) any specs released for the prop sword, I'll have to throw out an educated guess here.
1. Sean Bean is slightly over 5'10"
2. The blade, with the tip resting on the ground, comes up to his waist (or just under).
I would guess the blade to be around 44", maybe a bit less, maybe as much as 46". Certainly under 48". Your guess of 3" wide I would say is pretty solid.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Feb 20, 2012 17:40:32 GMT
Compare it to the width of his hand as well-- I'm just about six feet even, and if you assume that men of similar heights will have similar hands (bit of a stretch but it's worth a try), my hand is more or less four inches in width. So either he's got fairly small hands or that beast is approximately the same width as his hands!
I'd call the grip around... 12" at least, probably 14", which with a 44" blade gives you 54" length; six inches short of five feet total. Probably about right given that the pommel seems to come up to the bottom of his collarbone, and from there to the top of his head should be around another foot or so. Anybody know Sean Bean's height?
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Feb 21, 2012 3:21:16 GMT
I would actually put the grip at no more than 10", probably closer to 9"; I'm speaking strictly of the exposed wood, here, not the pommel or the guard. If we were to include the grippable area of the guard as well as the pommel, I'd guess probably closer to about 15" for the entire hilt; if you add that to a 44" blade, you'd get 59", give or take an inch. As for blade width, I'd call it just under a handspan wide, so a little over 3", but not quite 3 1/2".
If we were try to classify it by the Oakeshott Typology, I'd call it a somewhat fanciful XX on account of the length and the fuller configuration (although the central fuller is much too long to be a true XX, but when has that ever stopped Hollywood?), which would explain the great length, width, and the way it seems quite slender despite its width.
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Post by Aaron on Feb 21, 2012 3:32:55 GMT
The sword is definitely shorter than 59-60", Vincent. That would only give 10-11" for the remainder of his height above the collarbone. You can clearly see how bowed his head is. I wouldn't say you're far off, but that estimate is definitely too high. I would say 57" would be closer to the maximum height, assuming he has average-sized hands for his height (and a combined width of 7").
There's also no point in even mentioning typology. 1. You are far from an expert, 2. This sword is a piece of pure fantasy, drawing on a description from (you guessed it) a fantasy book. Aside from the fact that is has the loose appearance of a European sword, there is nothing about this blade that one should try to link to actual historical pieces.
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Post by jhart06 on Feb 21, 2012 3:55:15 GMT
Yeah, i'd leave typology out of it, and honestly the HBO prop stinks like poodoo to me.. There are several art pieces sanctioned/approved by Martin that look much better, imho. But Aaron has the sizing about right really.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Feb 21, 2012 4:00:33 GMT
Fair enough. As I said, I was mostly guessing on the length; it's hard to tell certain things without an accurate frame of reference. Now that actually look back at my post, I have no real idea how I got 15", when I was thinking of the grip as being around 9", since I was thinking the guard would extend about an inch; that'd make the pommel 5" in length. I must not be thinking clearly or something, because I have no idea how I got that, particularly when I was thinking the pommel more likely to be something like 3" long. That'd make a hilt some 13" long, added to a blade 42-44" long and you get, as you said, about 57".
I know I'm not an expert; I just mentioned it because I've had the typology on the brain a lot lately and it serves as a reference point for me. I just can't help but try and look for some historical accuracies in everything, since it keeps me from getting aggravated that the people who design these props know nothing about swords other than they're big and sharp.
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Post by jhart06 on Feb 21, 2012 4:11:28 GMT
from watching the behind the scenes videos, it does appear the prop designer did her research. But, like Aaron and I, she probably realized Westeros != Medieval Europe and took some liberties.
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Post by Deepbluedave on May 12, 2012 6:53:16 GMT
This is about as close as you can get, size wise I reckon without going custom, there is some great pictures of them in this topic at MyArmoury plus a pic from Albion www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=25760sEdit... Look at the photo of his hand on the grip. Attachments:
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on May 12, 2012 7:08:12 GMT
I saw a small documentary on the guy who made the weapons for the Game of Thrones series. I don't think I'm reaching when I saw a guy that makes swords for a living most likely know a LOT more about swords then 'they are big and sharp' and I am sure he knows more about sword then you or I do. He MAKES swords.
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Post by George on May 12, 2012 9:43:36 GMT
I think the inside handle length would be no more than 12'. Measured with my own hands on a bit of steel and thats what i got for his sizing im very similar. 14' maybe the full length from tip of pommel to end of guard (blade side)
Someone has actually made one to spec from pics. It is a good copy, he has done a REALLY good job... Its on another sword forum, i don't know if i can link it?
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Post by George on May 12, 2012 9:47:28 GMT
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Post by Deepbluedave on May 12, 2012 22:23:50 GMT
Had another look at this picture, held my Albion Dane in the same stance as Stark, If he is standing straight with only his head bowed, then the sword is almost the same length as the Dane, grip is four hands from guard to pommel I am 6 foot tall on the nail, I agree that 3" inches is the blade width, so is definatley some where between Maximillian and the Dane size wise if Stark is close to 6 foot. Joe that is not a bad copy at all, finished product looks very close.
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Post by jhart06 on May 12, 2012 22:35:31 GMT
I dunno, the blade on that one looks all sorts of funky to me.
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Post by Deepbluedave on May 12, 2012 22:41:16 GMT
The bade fullers are all different, but I was only going by size to get an idea of the total length.
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Post by jhart06 on May 12, 2012 23:47:17 GMT
The handle just looks really overly large for that particular blade... But it's nice and close!
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