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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 0:00:25 GMT
I suggest a couple of things. Fill a heavy bag up with extra sand, make it practically immovable and work it bare fisted. Punch and kick until you simply cannot stand. Your knuckles should be "busted" (heavily swollen) within a few minutes (If the bag is solid enough). This is great to condition your body and to build up necessary scar-tissue in your hands and feet. Make sure though that you are advanced enough to use proper technique as you can break your hands, especially your wrist if you don't properly line up your punches using proper body mechanics.
Second, go trail running. Find a state park with plenty of hills and obstacles and run the trails. If you really want to burn your lungs out hold water in your mouth to force yourself to breath trough your nose. Stop when you puke, then run a little more.
Also, usually on Fridays most Kwoons/dojo's have "open sparring". Just walk in and respectfully ask to spar with the students. Sometimes it can get ugly, but stay respectful, noble and honorable and you will make more friends than enemies.
Good luck in your training. Beware the opponent with "calm eyes", he knows what he is doing. Beware the man with "crazy eyes", he will attack wildly. Stay objective. And remember this above all, cultivate speed. As Bruce Lee said, "The man that knows every fancy move is nothing to the man with the unseen jab."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 19:40:15 GMT
mmm the part of hands swelling up after training to create scar tissue can cause problems with your fine motor tasks so i personaly wouldn't reccomend it, sure it's a way of getting tough fists, i myself took my time and hardened the bone without building up cartilage and i can slam a wall full power without feeling a thing (well offcourse you feel something but it's not really pain)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2007 6:18:39 GMT
Your knuckles are the articular surfaces of your finger joints... and are generally not susceptible to osteoarthritis as they are not weight bearing. Like any other joint, cartilage damage (either acute traumatic or over time) can lead to osteoarthritis and the most risky mechanism seems to be intense short duration forces i.e. an explosive impact like in running. I would take the conditioning exercises mentioned in this thread very carefully if at all. leith17, 40 times? That seems a little off; quoting from Japanese.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/16/2/355Test pieces from the shafts of long bones, have an ultimate compressive strength about like that of concrete or granite (ca. 25,000 lb/sq. in., or psi). Wet bone, which appears to have properties similar to those of fresh bone, has about 60 % of the compressive strength of dry bone. Dry bone has a tensile strength parallel to the grain about like that of seasoned, dry walnut or hickory wood (15,000-20,000 psi); wet bone has a tensile strength about two-thirds that of dry bone. Edit: I'm not trying to imply that all bone is weaker than concrete as this may contradict with observed situations (bear in mind the application of forces, bending moment etc associated with the setup used in breaking of blocks) but that this data gives a ballpark 'baseline' figure that we can interpret what the effects of conditioning may be able to modify.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 10:28:29 GMT
this is my training every morning for my art warm up first!!!!!!!!!! importent peps 20 mins skipping stretch 50 eagle claw press ups that on your finger tips 50 wave press ups that going from side to side so your body is dorrect over one arm befor you bend down 50 rotary cuff get a thick block or board and put it in the centr under were you face is move from side to side placeing alternat hands on the block when the hand is on the block do a push up jump to the other side so other hand is on and push up 50 last but not least the killer zen push ups place your hands out in front of you arms straight out put your feet were you like i go for 45 deg angles each leg palms flat almost like doing a streach but not straching now push your hand down and lift your body off the floor good luck it still kils me now lol
sit up warm back up !!!!!! plz keep your neck straight 50 lye compleatly flat on your back feet together hand by your sides and crunch up keeping you legs straight out and on the floor and your hands at your sides
50 feet lifts stay has you are and raise you feet 2 to 3 inches off the floor now move them 2 inches up and down but dont touch the floor
50 same has above but scisor your legs
love handel time he he 50 each side lye on your side supporting your body waight or your elbow so you hip is off the floor now point your hand to the ceiling no bring that hand in a arch moing out fromt he body down in to the gap under your side were you body is off the floor but power thru has if your trying to grab some thing then power back to the start
finish off with 6 basics from your style of martial arts and i mean basics good lay good foundations and your advanced will be stronger i will post condianing next week
plz change the number of press ups and sit ups has you see fit this is just my basice sit ups i do have advanced sit ups for the fitter guys among you that i do e.g hand stand press ups the push up crunch were you do a push up and launch your self in the air doing the puash up and touch your toes in mid air things like that
my parting tip i dont use waight your body waight is the best thing to train with look at a gymnast need i say more
take care and train safe ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 10:41:39 GMT
hand condationing you want hard hands you have to pay the price e.g pain during winter time and im 26 and have arthritus why do you need stone breaking hands YOU DONT peps dont walk around in armoure any more that is that but for you that wish to learn here we go the basics
get a thick solid board and i mean solid then your mums towel and rap it around the board place it on the floor you are not trying the break the board take your time let the body do its natrul thing first do one or to test punches you should just about feel it but not pain well almost not pain and make sur to be hitting with the front two knuckles dont worry about techniq at this point and let the waight of your hand no power drop onto the board 25 times each hand massgae the skin and knuckles when done and place straight in some hot not warm hot water to get the blood back around the joint to aid healing
now has you progress doing this each day after about 2 mothes you can take the towel off do the same for 2 now you can hit it harder it will take about 6 monthes befor your hiting them properly for old school peps 2 monthes has your bone is already in shape just got to tufin the skin back up
rember if you start to feel pain stop we are not in 1600 japan training for war against peps in armoure any more or you will pay the price like me from my dad pushing me from the age of 3 and have messed up hands yes its great fo hikappa bone breaking but it will come in time
take care and train safe any qustion or your not sure about pm plz beter to ask and be safe than just do it and not be ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2007 15:38:46 GMT
Well clearly there's a lot of different methods out there. I appreciate all the input and will probably start trying some of these next year.
"Test pieces from the shafts of long bones, have an ultimate compressive strength about like that of concrete or granite (ca. 25,000 lb/sq. in., or psi). Wet bone, which appears to have properties similar to those of fresh bone, has about 60 % of the compressive strength of dry bone. Dry bone has a tensile strength parallel to the grain about like that of seasoned, dry walnut or hickory wood (15,000-20,000 psi); wet bone has a tensile strength about two-thirds that of dry bone.
Edit: I'm not trying to imply that all bone is weaker than concrete as this may contradict with observed situations (bear in mind the application of forces, bending moment etc associated with the setup used in breaking of blocks) but that this data gives a ballpark 'baseline' figure that we can interpret what the effects of conditioning may be able to modify."
I think I heard it on human weapon. Maybe it means the bone going strait down is 40 times stronger then the horizontal concrete.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 10:04:23 GMT
I think I heard it on human weapon. Maybe it means the bone going strait down is 40 times stronger then the horizontal concrete. Is that a tv show? Unfortunately the media seems to distort facts and misrepresent science making it difficult to get to the interesting bits at the heart of the matter. I would like to find out some more info on the concrete breaking stuff but most martial arts 'documentaries' are so full of holes and hype I can only shake my head and turn it off. I suspect that if that is indeed a tv show then it's probably not going to be very helpful information.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 11:25:40 GMT
here is my morning exercise;
Training Exercises
Push ups:
20 Normal 20 Wide 20 Diamond 20 Burpys 20 leg raisers 50 Stomach crunches 30 wrist strengtheners 50 Squats 50 calf exercises 10x3 chin ups
An hour of weights and an hour or two of kata or weapons or open handed and if i am in the mood an hour of spear dancing.
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