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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2007 0:46:00 GMT
I take Kung Fu, however the classes are only three times a week, and its done through my school so there's long breaks for vacations. What are some good ways of conditioning and training during my free time. I already have a punching bag, which I do routines on. I do sit-ups and crunches, as well as some stretches from the class. For conditioning I basically just punch my own fore arms until I can't stand it anymore.
What are some other/better ways I can train and condition myself when I don't have the benefit of a gym or sparing partner.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2007 9:46:23 GMT
well that depends a bit on what form of kungfu your taking since there is a whole lot out there i myself practice wushu and we have a lot of forms you can practice there already 20 tantui's short basic forms of 5/8 steps each that must be executed perfectly further i suggest run a few rounds arround your street to warm up your blood and then stretch for 30 mins, next to that you could do some balance training for example try to balance yourself on a pole that's above ground level, or try walking on your hands try to do push ups while your in a handstand (suggest you try that against a wall to start with if your balance isn't that good yet) and other various way's of cardio training, further more you can put a camera on a stance and practice punches, kicks, jumps and then watch it back so you can judge yourself on your technique and see what you do wrong and right and try to improve that. o yea did i mention stretching good luck with training
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2007 22:36:50 GMT
You know what that's perfect because I'm also doing Wushu. Although I want to learn some Muy Thai as well.
I think I'm a long way away from hand stand push ups, my balance is pretty good but my arm's probably wont take it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 8:41:20 GMT
lol if i may ask wich style do you practice, i practice zhong hua a nothern longfist. by the way do you wanne learn some muy tai as extra or for the hard body training in that case i know a few extra training exercises
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 13:09:28 GMT
Hi leith,
My instructor told me if you want to make a hard body first make a hard mind. That was over 20 years ago & needles to say I've gotten very soft in my old age. A couple of weeks ago I started doing the same exercise he gave back then. Hitting a concrete or wooden pole 500 times a day everyday for 12 months using your knife hand ridge.
It's coming back very quickly now & only after the 2 weeks I've had to add another bag of concrete around the steel pole as it was starting to move & vibrate. It's almost like a meditation once you start & put all other thoughts out of mind. Heres the formula i use:
1st 100 = "warm up" not to hard or fast. 2nd 100 = reasonably hard but not so much follow through. 3rd 100 = Harder, faster & a little follow through. 4th 100 = very hard & very fast. 5th 100 = As hard & as fast as you can with as much follow through as you can.
Remember as with all training start off slow & most importantly with anything new "listen to your body". Once you reach a certain point & only you will know when that is your body will start listening to mind & the limits will change completely.
Good luck with whatever training you do & remember to enjoy the journey.
Almost forgot to mention a few things. After the 12 months if not well before don't be surprised if you have to buy two pairs of gloves in winter, 1 pair larger then what you normally would as one hand will be bigger than the other funny but true.
After 12 months i could throw a house brick in the air & break it with a knife hand strike, on a more useful note i used to use it to block kicks & punches when sparring much to the dislike of my partners who would complain it was like being his with a iron bar. guess they should have done shin & forearm conditioning hehehehe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 15:07:44 GMT
"lol if i may ask wich style do you practice, i practice zhong hua a nothern longfist."
I'm not sure. Its sort of a basic class. I guess we do a mixture
"by the way do you wanne learn some muy tai as extra or for the hard body training in that case i know a few extra training exercises"
I've fallen in love with muy thai in general. I saw the "Human Weapon" episode about it. The use of elbows and shins makes perfect sense. So yeah I'd be interested in both conditioning and in practicing a few moves. I like to do a Jab-elbow when I'm working out on a punching bag.
"Hitting a concrete or wooden pole 500 times a day everyday for 12 months using your knife hand ridge."
Jesus Christ! I think I'll start at a lower number.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 15:28:03 GMT
well for shins and elbows i suggets to start kicking/hitting a big boxing ball filled with lots of sand probably around 50 kg it gives in a lill bit when you hit it so you won't break your shins at the first kick you can also take a hard cylinder like object and role it over your shins/forearm pushing it as hard as your pain limit allows it, and when starting to harden your fist i'd personnaly suggest to put a newspaper or normal towel against a wall and then start punching, i myself started with 20 punches (using my fist) and just repeat that a few times a day a couple of day's to get the feeling and then slowly built it up hit more times/ hit harder after a few weeks you'd start to notice your fist become more senseless. if you build it up that way your bone structure itself changes the open spaces in the structure slowly become solid i've been doin it this way for 3 years now and i must say it feels pretty good to have your fingers slammed between the door and don't feel pain at all
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 18:09:39 GMT
Interesting, but can you still do fine motor tasks easily?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 21:36:24 GMT
yep because you harden the bone itself in the parts of your hand that make contact but on the other hand if you ain't carefull about the ammount of force you put in your punch you hit to hard you just destroy the bone and it will grow a lot of the same bone as in your nose (don't know that word in english) and that could be harmfull when your old
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 1:11:12 GMT
I believe the word you're looking for is cartilage. Hmm I wonder if anyone ever ended up with a hand that bends like rubber.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 9:06:33 GMT
"Hitting a concrete or wooden pole 500 times a day everyday for 12 months using your knife hand ridge."
Jesus Christ! I think I'll start at a lower number.
LMAO Leith, almost shot coffee out my nose when i read it, I really needed a laugh at that point in time so thanks mate.
It only takes around 15 min's so if you were interested in doing it you would be starting with mainly pretty soft hits, i know it sounds like a lot but not really.
if an old fart like me can anyone can. The other reason for using the knife hand is I've seen guys who use their knuckles & after years they loose movement of the joints to varying degrees which doesn't happen with the knife hand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2007 21:35:43 GMT
I did about sixty light ones and it was starting to get to be too much. If I turn the entire side of my hand purple my parent's are gonna think I'm a masochist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 1:11:26 GMT
Thats a good start just work your way into it slowly, as for being a masochist, hell yes aren't we all LOL. ;D When i was around your age & would come home from training all banged up my mum would ask me to stop going. After she realized i wasn't going to stop if i showed her any wounds she'd just say if you want to do it to yourself fine but come crying to me, i don't want to know about it. Purple hand with blisters, blood blisters even in the beginning sure , pain to start with sure but after enough time & effort little to no pain & a true understanding of what is possible, what limitations you set upon yourself instead of what others tell you your limitations are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 2:43:35 GMT
Were both your parent's doctors by any chance? I think I'll go easy on it until next year. Then I'll only have to explain bruised hands on holidays.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 12:39:24 GMT
No, Leith just an average mum who never stops worrying like all mums i guess, dad shot through before i was born leaving mum with 5 kids.
I guess if both your parents are doctors i can understand the grief they'd give you.
I know most Chinese styles have a different mentality where the process may take 5 plus years to get to the stage of hitting steel or concrete. They "normally" start off hitting water move onto sand or beans then heated sand or beans before harder objects.
Being a westerner i don't have the same mind set (instant gratification is what where taught) & these days most Korean styles are more like the western mind set as well. Well the ones i know anyway.
You just do what you feel is right at your own pace, heres a tip that may help if your not doing so already.
Place our palm facing up with the palm & forearm level, Extend your fingers back whilst still keeping your palm level Now bend only the first joint of your fingers up leaving the remainder extended back.
This should give you a Locked rigid (Korean style) knife hand. When you hit you palm should still be level with your forearm on a 45 degree angle, kinda like carrying a tray of drinks. Upon impact the hand should be slightly rotated in the thumb down position so your hitting against the bone. Hope this helps a little.
If both your folks are doctors maybe you could ask a question for me, as this subject have always fascinated me & I've seen many doco's on it. How is it that the human hand can break objects far stronger than the hand, bones etc themselves. I know that the bone becomes denser with this kind of practice but as far as i know never dense enough to explain how its possible from a western medical point of view.
Should be interesting. Anyway have fun & take care.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 23:13:35 GMT
well spud national geographic channel made a documentery about that subject it has to do with 2 things they explaint in that serie the first is your bone itself the structure changes to a solid mass by training and the second is trough the speed and power that they put in the the punch kick if you take 2 cars and drive on into the other that stands still the car that stood still took more damage from the collision then the one that was moving
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2007 1:04:11 GMT
Believe it or not, ordinary bones are actually 40 times stronger then concrete. Ones with increased density will be even stronger then that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2007 9:28:06 GMT
Thanks for the info guys & for the link, i think i know what I'll be watching for the next few hours.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2007 0:47:31 GMT
OK, so thisme seem like a dumb question, but how heavy is the bag you hit? I fight in MMA, and San Shou, the number one thing I would say is get a heavy, heavy, heavy bag like 100lbs (kg?) and you should train for 3:00 mins and take a five minute break. You just pound on it in correct form, not the poor western boxing form (raised shoulder) at first you will not move it with time you will progress. Hope that helps sorry for foul ups typing on my girl friends laptop (not fun).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2007 23:44:43 GMT
my uncle got one of about 110 pounds roughly filled with sand i only got a wall bag in my garden mostly i just hang a newspaper on a concrete wall and just hit that with various sides of my hand just hard enough to make the bones stronger been doing that for about 2 years now and my hands are still fine and perfect exept if i smash my fingers between the door it doesn't hurt that much by the way you fight in the mma you got any fights on youtube or something i'm a big fan of watching mma way better then k1 to watch
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