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Post by joeydac on Aug 19, 2011 13:57:00 GMT
I agree with you on that if the pen is not done well or like in the case of a hanwei I saw that they hollowed out the pommel and extended the grip through it in order to pen it its trouble waiting to happen you have alot of lateral forces at play when you swing a sword into a target that impact is transferred to the pommel peen and if the sword tang components are not form fit to the tang you stand to have failure at the peen all swords should be pinned at the hilt or the guard with a pin for safety and strength which can be easily removed for service
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Post by brotherbanzai on Aug 21, 2011 18:42:31 GMT
It's just my personal opinion, but I don't feel that swords should be made to be taken apart. Every time it's taken apart and put back together, the parts will be ever so slightly worn. It's not a piece of machinery with moving parts that need lubrication or adjustment. If everything is permently fixed and the grip is epoxied in place, there shouldn't ever be any need to take it apart and nothing to service. If it were to get wet, the tang would be protected by the epoxy, the end of the tang by the peen on the pommel, and any moisture that wicked in between the guard and blade could be blown out with air or a squirt of moisture displacing lube. I do understand that some people like to be able to take their swords apart, I just personaly believe it's not necessary or even good for the sword. But yeah, a "peen" that was done on a reemed out threaded pommel is just tying to meet consumer demand in a poorly done way IMO. I think that would be a cool idea. At one time I was thinking about making a steel waster with the Atlantean parts to have an Atlantean I could spar with. The idea came to me when someone said (after seeing my 6 1/2 pound Atlantean) "I'd like to see you try and fight with that", and me thinking "pffft, I could fight with it, not for hours at a time, but I think I could effectively fight with it... grumble grumble grumble." Hey Alexander, I think you meant to quote this part  Not to fear, we talked her out of it ($30 for three of us to go to a movie or $2 to get a couple from Redbox). By the way, The Adjustment Bureau is very good and Sucker Punch is craptacular. |
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Aug 21, 2011 19:54:09 GMT
Chuck pretty well covered the difference of the recessed hex nut system that Tinker and Atrim swords use, vs the screw on pommel that DSA used to use and some Windlass and Hanwei swords use.
My experience has mirrored his own. I've had screw on pommels fail but have not had a recessed hex nut system on a Tinker or Atrim fail.
I HATE screw on pommels for multiple reasons. The security/safety issue is one big one... another is that if the pommel is not perfectly symmetrical, then a screw on pommel will ALWAYS end up out of alignment. When you use the sword and stress the pommel, you'll have to tighten it more... and then the pommel will be off in alignment. That sucks.
Screw on pommels are cheap, less safe, and by no means as good a method for sword assembly as there is, which is what the writer of the review suggested. That's total BS.
I've moved to agreeing with Jeffery in my preference of peened swords over my collecting. If done right, it will last you a lifetime... its more historical, better looking... and is my preference now.
Also, you often don't see evidence of peening on Albion swords... but they all are... you know why you don't see evidence of peening? Cuz they do it very, very well. I've owned just under 10 Albion swords now... and most of them the peen was so smooth and seamless that you have to really look at it close to see it... unlike the messy Hanwei and Windlass peens you often see. Again, better quality... but you pay for it.
As to Darksword Armory... they used to use screw on pommels... but the also did a strange hybrid thing with them where the 'hot threaded' the tangs... they heated them up and applied epoxy as they screwed em on... making them more sturdy then an average screw on pommel... but if they did come lose then they were just as bad as any other screw on pommel. Now all but maybe 2-3 of their models are peened.
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Post by Alexander on Aug 22, 2011 1:37:01 GMT
Geez how did I miss that one, glad you went to the RedBox  |
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Post by joeydac on Aug 22, 2011 14:14:22 GMT
i just dont understand why when they are making these swords they cant pin the tang to the handle with a single pin before they put the leather wrap on it would eliminate the chance of any failure in which the blade would become a helicopter it just makes sense
i read once that the reason katanas were only pinned so after a battle the blades could be broken down and repaired be the blacksmith why was that theory not applied to euro swords it makes sence im not saying a bamboo pin in the handle but a pin in the hilt a pin in the cross amd a pin in the pommel and your good to go
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Post by joeydac on Sept 1, 2011 13:39:21 GMT
ok guys the Conan swords are available for pre order on the museum replicas website and get this there under 300 dollars I already took the plunge will review when I get it in they look alot better than the magazine pics can't wait to get this one
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Post by ecovolo on Sept 1, 2011 17:39:15 GMT
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Post by joeydac on Sept 2, 2011 1:01:53 GMT
yes im gonna hold off on the fathers sword till i see how the q/c is but all in all i think its a great price  |
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Post by Elheru Aran on Sept 2, 2011 19:28:41 GMT
As long as one accepts that they're not going to come up to Albion standards of being accurate to the screen-used models, and that they're going to be heavy beasts of swords (not that the Albions are any better), I think most people will be happy with these, and under $300 stock price?!!?! *THAT* is the most awesome part |
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Post by joeydac on Sept 3, 2011 1:32:15 GMT
i agree they really need to better there q/c as for the weight I think the only way is to hollow cast the fittings which IV seen them do before I'm curious how there gonna do these I think the best hope for a real deal beater Conan sword is gonna come from scorpion swords ut all that being said for 295 I'm in
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Post by joeydac on Sept 3, 2011 1:54:38 GMT
I'm gonna say this they have 5 new lines that are very attractive to the beginner sword buyer through veteran for the money they are asking for in this economy they need to step it up on q/c or there gonna fail I just bought a deal of the day which I will never do again after 2 times getting items that clearly should have been rejected
You don't sell a axe with a handle that's 1/8 in smaller than the eye of the axe and just pin it and still ship it out with the head loose
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Post by humblepie on Sept 3, 2011 17:31:51 GMT
Does anyone know if MuseumReplicas charges right away for pre-orders or if they charge later when they go to ship?
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 3, 2011 17:47:23 GMT
Crap - ordered an axe also on the DOTD.
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 3, 2011 17:55:26 GMT
Just checked out the swords on MRL. Pretty heavy but all are sub 300 USD - so some folks will like them.
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Post by joeydac on Sept 3, 2011 18:43:17 GMT
humblepie they dont chagre you until they ship for pre-orders
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Post by joeydac on Sept 3, 2011 18:51:33 GMT
if it was the dragon viking axe thats the one im talking about the shaft is a 1/8 in too small in diameter in comparsion to the axe eye i wish you luck i had to go buy a new sledge hammer handle and cut shape and re-pin it to fit and look right not a fun time
i just dont understand how they let this get out the doorwithoutchecking them first i could move the head with my hand very easily it was a joke i contacted windlass directly in india to let them know about the crap there sending out and how there viewed in sword buyer circles
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 3, 2011 21:06:29 GMT
Yep - the Dragon Axe. Hope mine turns out better. Will take a week or two to get here. Did the etchings run all the way to the edge on the one you got?
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Post by joeydac on Sept 4, 2011 15:15:46 GMT
no I had about a 3/8 of a inch space to the edge
The etching though was very good the pin was hidden well too just needed a thcker shaft
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Sept 4, 2011 16:08:07 GMT
while they do not look AS detailed as the expensive versions, this is a hell of a steal at sub 300$ for a FUNCTIONAL conan sword. i might pick up the fathers sword :]
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Post by joeydac on Sept 14, 2011 21:56:48 GMT
I thought this was interesting Marto is selling licensed gladiator swords now i guess that was the trade off in order to get the Conan swords license check them out at kultofathena
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Oh well, it might be decent anyway.
Oh well, it might be decent anyway.
Not to fear, we talked her out of it ($30 for three of us to go to a movie or $2 to get a couple from Redbox). By the way, The Adjustment Bureau is very good and Sucker Punch is craptacular.
