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Post by Alexander on Jul 20, 2011 13:59:05 GMT
Well one thing Albion will most likely not have to be fighting over licensing rights with Marto.
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Post by Enkidu on Jul 20, 2011 19:46:37 GMT
Thats a fact, Conan uses about a new sword at each ten pages of the whole book series written by Howard ( or L.Sprague de Camp for that matter ). And this sure looks like nothing he seems to uses in the books. Neither did the sword in the first movie, but it not only happened to look good but it also did add some bad-ass torque to the character. The hilt casting also have a link to Conan's world. In other words, they manage to go better than the books with the sword while still making a highly recognizable and commercially viable prop.
Now, with the new sword... they did exactely the contrary.Even someone with no experience in swords will see the difference between the two models and clearly see how cheap this one is. In movies of this kind, swords have an iconic presence, they are a character by themselves. Thats sad, cause a new Conan is a perfect opportunity to get the creative minds going and churn out a real piece of art. As Chuck pointed its probably a producer or a tasteless art director that came in with a bunch or really stupid ideas and what Albion did was just tone down the awfulness of what they came in with in the first place. I'm sure the guys at Albions would have like to make something at least comparable to the first movie design, but sometimes the customer isnt willing to put his trust on the artist he hires... Money talks and has a severe case of bad breath.
They probably wanted something big that say KILL when you look at it and has also BIG parts to be easily seen on the screen, something that would be easy to reproduce as a toy also. And its exactely what they did... sadly.
EDIT : check the facial expression of the Albion guy ( Lars ? ) while holding the sword on the OP link : priceless !
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Post by nddave on Jul 21, 2011 14:35:28 GMT
yea your right on the "business" side of that sword. but I dont see a lot of junior merchandise coming from this film. most r-rated films don't. just look at my he-man trivia above.
then again if this sword does get made into a functional blade we could possibly see the first under $1000 functional conan sword! they'll definatly make bank selling the foam one to the larpies
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Post by ecovolo on Jul 21, 2011 15:58:58 GMT
Agreed. Suddenly, this sword looks much better. I wonder how they're going to approach the more fantasy-looking blade with the curved quillions: If Filmswords.com works on this too, I'm interested in seeing the end result. *Hopefully* there's a chance it will look better than the first sword in this thread. --Edward
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Post by Everguard on Jul 22, 2011 5:49:46 GMT
I just don't understand the finish on the blade. Is that something that EVER occurs on "real" swords? I don't get it. It looks exactly like the plastic sword I have for a Viking halloween costume. The darkness in the fuller, and all over is something I don't really understand. Would that happen from just leaving it unpolished after heat-treating the blade? Or is it like some type of residue applied after?
Either way it looks ridiculous, even to an amateur enthusiast like myself. The fuller, the size of the crossguard, and the finish are all bugging me tremendously.
On the discussion of the type of thought that goes in to truly great movie weapons, take a look at John Howe's website and look at his concepts for Narsil. He goes through some really amazing ideas before getting to the Narsil we know and love. It's really something special to see what elements he keeps and what he changes. He was lucky enough to have a director that didn't settle for the first draft, or worse, push him in a weird direction.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Jul 22, 2011 12:28:16 GMT
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Post by Enkidu on Jul 22, 2011 14:30:39 GMT
Coincidently many elements of the movie we've seen in the previews look straight from the Age of Conan videogame. Which is by the way very well made IMO, so visually that might be a good thing. Except the buffer swords exemples Elheru just showed off
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Post by Odingaard on Jul 22, 2011 15:52:04 GMT
I don't know why Albion is touching this. Thier creation of the first Conan swords was due to their relationship with Jody Samson. Now, it seems they are trying to cash on on creating a high-dollar garbage replica. I am not impressed, and I know Jody Samson would not be impressed. Seriously: The company manufacturing some of the most historically-accurate, highest-quality, most-expensive production swords in the world is going to make THAT? Hell, why not sell replica FX light sabers, inflatable pirate hats, and Beastmaster 4 sword replicas as well? They are doing it soley to try to make money on what may or may not be a good movie - quite unlike the other Conan films which already had a huge cult following by the time Albion started selling their Conan blades. I am sorry, but Albion lost alot of my respect by doing this: Jody Samson was an artist and a bladesmith that created beautiful weapons, whoever designed these new LARP-looking non-functional swords was an unknown prop sword guy. I am not amused. Crom laughs at your fake looking LARP swords. He laughs from his mountian... :x
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Post by Enkidu on Jul 22, 2011 17:27:23 GMT
Albion inflatable pirates hats ! I dont know why, but it made laugh like i havent did in a while !
but, yeah, your right Odin, and now like Crom i'm laughing too !
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Post by RobrtLand on Jul 22, 2011 17:46:23 GMT
Not without reason, Jason Momoa said at Comic Con that Khal Drogo would have kicked Conan's ass. Sword-wise, he is absolutely right.
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Post by joeydac on Jul 23, 2011 3:55:30 GMT
Junk
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Post by nddave on Jul 23, 2011 6:24:05 GMT
I think I'd object to the drogo vs conan statement. but it would be a damn good fight. I got an issue of "what if" where conan kicks captain americas ass twice. ironacly they'll be fighting at the box office this year...
in the words of stan lee, "EXCELCIOR!"
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Post by chuckinohio on Jul 23, 2011 8:05:01 GMT
I could care less who said what, or where they said it.
There aint no man gonna kick Conans butt. Conan has killed mythical beings, monsters, kings, demons, arch wizards, and mortal enemies by the score, counted ten times ten. Khal Drogo, picked on a wimpy wanna be.
Momoa must be disoriented from Stargate travel or something. Aint no how, aint no way.
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Post by Aaron on Jul 23, 2011 20:06:15 GMT
I don't think Jason is referencing Howard's portrayal of Conan in the novels. I believe he is talking about his own portrayal of Drogo in Game of Thrones, versus the depiction of Conan he was paid to portray in the new film. And out of the two, he says Drogo would whoop some ass.
I think what this says is that the new Conan has been sissified to an extent, which is upsetting and somewhat kills any hope I had for this.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jul 23, 2011 20:12:38 GMT
He sure does...
So says the same guy that in a single interview talked both about how he was going to make Conan a bad ass again, and how when he got thrown off his horse shooting a scene he went to his trailer, drank some red wine and cried. Yeah... Crom laughs at this 'bad ass' as well. :roll:
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Post by Aaron on Jul 23, 2011 20:52:23 GMT
Eh, that's not always how it works, Sean. A lot of times you'll have directors who WANT the actors to do their own thing. Jon Favreau is a great example of this. Nearly all of the dialogue in Iron Man was completely improvisational. This gives the actors a lot of freedom to bring their own vision of the character to the table.
Other times you'll have extremely strict directors who want the actors to conform invariably to his/her own visualization of the character.
Jason probably wanted to do the former, and ended up having to do the latter. You can only do so much when you're being paid to perform a part. I'm sure you've had jobs where you wished to do things differently, something that could be improved by your perception. Yet since you're being paid to do a job, you have to do it their way.
About the crying thing, he's an actor. He never said he was Conan in real life. I cried after having a near-death experience when I flipped my car and caved the roof down on top of me. I am no less a man for it. I would't be so quick to judge him based on one comment, falling from a horse is commonly life-threatening (just look at Christopher Reeve).
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Post by chrisperoni on Jul 23, 2011 21:48:36 GMT
...but bringing up crying during an interview for *Conan* is just wrong. There is a time and a place for everything. Do you think the producers are pleased that he has left on record an association with crying and *Conan*?
BTW, from now on we are to refer to this new movie *Conan* with asterisks so as to make a distinction between the real Conans from the original movie and the comics- the ones we respect.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Jul 23, 2011 21:57:23 GMT
So, does that mean if I don't respect the original, I don't have to use the * for the new one?
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jul 23, 2011 23:49:21 GMT
To each their own. I'm from the old school I guess... I've only cried a couple times in my life... mostly when a bone was sticking out of some part of my body (and often not then) and once or twice when I was alone at night and some girl had torn my heart out and stepped on it. I'm with Chris on this mostly tho... don't talk about making a character a bad ass again... thus inferring the character as portrayed before you was not bad ass enough... and then in the same conversation talk about how you got so scared you drank your wine and cried like a baby. It could have at least been beer or whiskey. :lol:
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jul 23, 2011 23:50:21 GMT
A generational thing most likely... the original movie is older then you... has a different vibe then what 'kids today' go for.
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