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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2011 21:58:01 GMT
Hey guys and gals, I'm new on this forum and don't really know where to post this. So...I thought I'd post here as this is the beginner's forum.
On to my question....
Ok, so I bought the Musashi 1060 carbon steel golden dragonfly katana off of trueswords.com and had a problem disassembling it. Well, it is advertised as being disassemble-able for care or display. Now I went through and took out the mekugi and proceeded to take the tsuka off, but the darned thing won't budge.
Any ideas as to how to remove stubborn tsuka?
Any help is much appreciated.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Mar 29, 2011 22:35:00 GMT
I saw a video by icyberia on youtube where he says maybe leaving the blade in the saya and putting your heels on either side of the tsuba and pushing with your feet and pulling with your hands. I can't say how effective or safe this is, but it's meant as a desperation measure. If you can loosen about a quarter inch I used a heavy fork to get one off. Just insert the blade between the middle tines and let the leverage work for you. Hope you can get it off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2011 22:42:50 GMT
Yeah...not looking to desperate measures yet. The fork thing sounds like a good idea...if only I could get the tsuka to move at all.
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Post by Sam H on Mar 30, 2011 0:40:50 GMT
Yeah umm DON'T do that unless you are willing to risk injury. Tsuka on nihonto are tight fitting but not so tight you can't get them off. In inexpensive production Chinese made katana the tsuka are made one size fits all and then pounded on or shimmed to fit whatever blade they're mounting it onto. This makes for tsuka that are one of the following: too loose, too tight (can't be removed easily), cracked or any combination of the above. If you MUST remove your tsuka for care use something like this: www.swordsofmight.com/sworddisassemblykit.aspxIts easier on your sword and less dangerous to you. Any time I hear of people putting swords between their heels and pushing/pulling etc with feet and hands it makes me cringe as I can just envision what could happen should things go wrong...
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Mar 30, 2011 1:26:15 GMT
Sam H, I just honestly cannot see how it could go wrong...(yes, that's a joke.) Also, thanks for the link to that kit, I've not seen it before and getting one is now on my "get soon" list.
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Post by etiennehamel on Mar 30, 2011 2:12:13 GMT
i had a stubbord tsuka too and someone gave me the advice of taking a rubber glove (the one with the rubber palm), a towel and a wooden or rubber hammer.
you put on the glove, wrap the blade with the towel and pound the tsuba until the tsuka is off (your tsuka must have been shimmed, mine was shimmed with a thick plastic strap :lol: )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2011 11:44:04 GMT
Wow. Thanks for all the help. I think I'll invest in the disassembly kit Sam H suggested. The stubborn tsuka was just a bit of a surprise to me because I read a review on the main SBG site of the very first sword in the Musashi 1060 series and Paul seemed to not have any problems with disassembly.
Thanks again for all your help.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Mar 30, 2011 16:38:39 GMT
On cheap katana it isn't uncommon for tsuka to be epoxied to the tang as an extra safety feature (or to cover up shoddy construction). You may end up having to break it right off and build a new one. Not a great though to envision, I know, just saying you should maybe be prepared for that eventuality...
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Post by carb1er on Apr 1, 2011 4:36:41 GMT
You dont need to go and spend money on a disassembly kit. That wooden shim is really only good for taking the handles of shirisaya's. Anyways I had this exact same problem with a $40 wall hanger I to customize awhile back. I stumbled across a post when the old forum was still around it was about making a device to remove the tsuka. Its the same basic concept as the koshirae removal device used in this disassembly kit (which is much better then the SOM one) www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/tools.html I'll try and take a picture of the one I made myself and post it up here, but what I'm trying to say is you can easily carve out a grove in a length of wood (I used a broken bokken) to make your own device. EDIT: So I took some photos and created a shutterfly account (needed to do this anyways for another of my projects) Heres a few images of the device from different angels: The basic idea is cut a grove into one end that goes up the wood 6-8 inches. You have to cut the bottom of the device at an angel so to wood sits flat against the seppa. And here is how it fits on a blade. Take a towel and wrap it tightly right above the tsuka where the device slides into the habaki and grip it very tightly. Now all you have to do it hammer the backend of the device and your tsuka will start to move. I put it up against the wallhanger I customized, it is currently dull. Hope this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 11:16:05 GMT
Wow. Wasn't expecting all this help for this. Thanks guys.
Ordered the disassembly kit from SoM after reading reviews on it. It should come today so I'll probably use it today/tomorrow.
I'll post an update here so everyone will know how well it works.
Thanks for all the help.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 21:05:07 GMT
Ok. The disassembly kit from SoM works great. Took a few swings to get it started, but overall great for stuck tsuka.
Thanks again for all the help.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Apr 1, 2011 22:46:31 GMT
Thanks for posting that. I liked the $15 price tag, but then the shipping cost was that again, but if it works it will be a great investment.
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Post by Hiroshi on Apr 2, 2011 1:05:37 GMT
Seeing as I AM iCyberia, I can assure you while my technique is a last ditch effort it is perfectly safe.
Basically:
Sit on the floor grasp the tsuba with both hands and place your feet(with shoes on) on the tsuba and gently PUSH/PULL.
Now as long as you leave the blade in the saya and dont try to "jerk it" you wont have any problems.
I came up with this technique while trying to remove the tsuka from my cheness tenchi, which was hammered on SUPER tight. At first i made a disabmly kit like SOM sells and it didnt work, it was simply too tight.
Good luck and I hope you didnt waist your money on the kit.
Once again, this is not dangerous if you use your brain!!! Here is my video for reference. @ 5 minutes in I start talking about this technique.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Apr 2, 2011 4:07:28 GMT
I'm aware that you are Icyberia, Hiroshi. I mentioned the video in hopes that Sterling(can I call you Sterling?) would watch it and your other videos. I have, and your video on the Tenchi's initial arrival is what actually dissuaded me from getting it in lieu of the Kaze. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful, but agreed with the point that it could have possible negative results. I would actually be more worried about damaging the tsuba, especially if it is a cheap alloy one.
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Post by gad7gabe on Aug 20, 2020 2:57:10 GMT
what worked for me was hitting the tsuba with a hammer (with a thick piece of cloth over it) until the tsuka came loose enough to get 2 very small wrenches between the bottom seppa and the tsuba (the wrenches and sword should make a t shape) then i push both wrenches towards the blade end of the sword and then pull the wrenches together towards the tsuka it should be a similar motion as using a hand fire stoker
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Post by tensho on Aug 20, 2020 15:36:40 GMT
Impressive necropost. The members who originally posted aren't even around anymore.
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