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Post by whiteknight on Feb 10, 2012 11:20:17 GMT
Hello SBG Members,
I just got a post deleted in the "viking sword question thread". I wanted members to know it was there. I also want members to know that when the member preceding that post cursed at me in his post, I responded firmly, but very respectfully. So there was a response of moderate length, which is deleted.
I was told the reason for its deletion was that I must never talk about a forum in such a way that might be seen as negative, & I must not talk about a company in a way that might seem negative. No mention was made of not talking about the member who openly cursed at me in a negative way, though the only negative comments were about said individual, and they were presented in a civil manner. Though they depicted him in a negative light due to his actions on another forum (WHICH SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS), so I guess that is why I was told I talked negatively of a forum.
Anyway, to those of you lucky enough to see the post before it was deleted, maybe you are now aware of some things. Though it is likely thatmost of those few already were aware of what has been going on on those internet forums (who shall remain nameless).
So I just wanted to let members know there was a response there at one time. It's a weird feeling to be cursed at, then respond, and watch ur response get whisked away, while your assailant's words remain.
Oh well... :) It's all good... I learned alot about censorship, the forums, and the moat today... (maybe my post is now in the moat, where only the admins can see it-- no, it's gone, I'm sure)
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Feb 10, 2012 14:12:50 GMT
Let's take a moment to revisit the rules of the forum here folks.
2. Not participate in divisive talk that puts down SFI, Myarmoury or ANY other sword loving community – we have more in common than we do differently, and each community fills a niche in a way that is worthy of respect;
3. Share information about different swords, manufacturers, vendors and other products/services in a respectful and responsible manner, not resorting to slander, liable speech, heckling, or other immature/hostile behaviour;
4. To treat other Members, staff and moderators with respect at all times (in public and via private message) despite your personal feelings toward them. If as a Member you are treated disrespectfully or “attacked” by another Member, do not react to it in the same spirit but simply report the post to a moderator. The chivalrous thing to do in these situations is to simply ignore inflammatory comments – they will be dealt with quickly enough by the active moderator on duty;
Now... I'm sure I don't needf to go into how many ways this was violated, and by how many people. In addition, once a post is deemed inflammatory enough for deletion , then the topic doesn't need to be brought up again for discussion. We are and remain the most casual, friendly and permissive major sword forum on the net, but we are here for the futherance of our community and the sort of disrespectful BS to sword makers/designers and other community forums is divisive and won't be tolerated.
Thank You
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Post by whiteknight on Feb 10, 2012 16:45:00 GMT
Yes, it's good that SBG has rules concerning such things, but that is what makes the issue all the more sad--either not all sword forums have such rules or if they do they are enforced selectively. As a moderator, I'm guessing you have read the deleted post, but maybe not. Anyway, it involved the immflamatory remarks & very "disrespectful BS" that goes on on the nameless entity alluded to above concerning a company in the sword community. This stuff is in effect guided and encouraged, (in most of the threads in which it appears) by the staff that runs that entity. Furthermore, it is because of past conflict arising from that very issue that brought the nameless individual over to SBG (it was more who was making the comments [myself], rather than what was being said that brought this individual to a very rare visit here to this community) So the very innaproppriate things outlined in Mr. Ridgeway's post above, which are not tolerated on SBG, are not only tolerated, but encouraged, when it comes to on particular sword making company and member of the sword community at large--so when the censorship rules (which serve a good purpose) make it impossible to speak of such things, and therefore act like they are not happening--that is a bitter pill to swallow. So once again, as in the case with the unnamed entity, this member now feels compelled to let the matter lie, or be banned... Just pretend like nothing is happening, so that the rules are followed. I guess this is exactly why censorship of any form is such a hot-button issue... But the situation is as it is, & so this member must be silent now, to respect the rules of the SBG Forums.......
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Post by Elheru Aran on Feb 10, 2012 17:57:49 GMT
I don't believe you're being 'suppressed' or 'censored' here. Yes, the moderators did delete your post. If they did so, they did that for good reason; you posted something that broke the rules and so it had to go.
Whatever behavior may be the norm on other forums, is none of the business of this forum, and derogatory comments one way or the other are unnecessary and detrimental to good relations between the various communities.
As such it's immaterial that a member of MyArmoury had an issue with you; it is, however, material that you made derogatory comments regarding MyArmoury. You might not think much of the members of that board; that's fine, but keep it to yourself because it's just rude to say these things behind their backs, so to speak. Many of us are also members there, and both forums have their place. If you run one down but not the other, then you're coming off honestly pretty hypocritical to us-- just because we have a different aesthetic here doesn't mean we aren't much the same people. When you insult them, you're insulting us too.
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Feb 10, 2012 19:10:01 GMT
Which part of that statement I made is unclear?
My post was not a segue way or a jumping off point for you to continue to comment on the topic.
Please do not do so again.
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Post by whiteknight on Feb 10, 2012 19:49:22 GMT
@elheru Aran, Actually I have a high opinion of many members of myArmoury. Unfortunately, it is the position & status those few I do not have a high opinion of, that has made their indiscretions of such importance.
Sorry for "jumping off" again on the subject of the deleted post, that should not have been done.
The undeleted posts that remain in the thread are appropriate for discussion, as Elheru Aran has commented about some perceived insults. My remarks about a great many sword collectors being "nerdy" or "weaklings", does not at all include everyone who participates in this hobby. To take what are clearly very selective statements & turn them into a blanket statement is quite simply a mistake. If I say many of those who are members of biker gangs are middle-aged, bearded, fat guys with some major attitude--that is not saying ALL men in biker gangs are like that. :) If a young, clean-shaven, muscular guy with a mild-mannered temperament, who is also a biker, takes offense at this, then he is just being too sensitive.
There are many, many "nerdy weaklings" who enjoy this hobby. There are many, many military types & weapons enthusiasts who enjoy this hobby. There are many, many "average joes" who enjoy this hobby. There are many, many of all different kinds of people who enjoy this hobby. The comments made were expressing this members suspiscions that maybe some companies (not just one, though it was the one brought up by a fellow forumite that sparked that part of the discussion) are making lighter swords to cater to the many younger, and often slightly built types who make up the largest portion of the customer base in this industry. That is all the comments were meant to say. So, Elheru Aran & any other members, please know that no insult was intended. :)
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Feb 10, 2012 20:05:47 GMT
Thats my fault... I was unclear... I said that deleted posts weren't appropriate to discuss again. I should have said the same thing about locked threads. There is, after all , a reason they are locked.
So mea culpa
Now you know.
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Post by Sir Tre on Feb 10, 2012 21:18:54 GMT
other forums ( i dont know i am nt a member there) may allow certain behaviors, but SBG tends to frown upon certain behaviors, because as listed in the ad for SBG forum, it tries to be the friendlies forum, where we wont bite off your head.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 11:53:59 GMT
I am shocked a forum dedicated to the sword, which has been used for century's to defend a man's freedom, would have so many restrictions on free speech. Go figure !
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 20, 2012 12:07:35 GMT
Flowery prose... but the sword in history was used to take away mans freedoms and subjugate/oppress just as much if not more then it was used to defend a man's freedom throughout history. Just sayin.
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Post by William Swiger on Mar 20, 2012 15:01:48 GMT
The rules we follow on the SBG Forum should be considered as one of the key dimensions that determine the quality and good of our association within the greater sword collecting community. The rules are intended to create and foster personal and professional growth in regards to our hobby. Our rules are not intended to oppress members but create an environment that facilitates an open Forum which thrives on mutual respect for all the groups and types who frequent this site.
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Mar 20, 2012 15:10:46 GMT
Where is that "like " button when you need it?
Well said!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 16:20:38 GMT
Ah yes the sword cuts both ways. Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 1:29:28 GMT
I guess if people could temper their egos and self-regulate their behaviour for the good of all, we wouldn't need rules in an ideal world, but since we're all less than perfect, and we all make mistakes, making people aware of what behaviour is accepatable and what is not is a good way to keep things on track. In instances where people accidentally or intentionally overstep the mark, it is reasonable to remove the cause of potential trouble if the comments are destructive ior inflammatory in nature (as distinct from controversial, and often heated debate, which can be very educational as dissenting opinions are presented on a topic). If I had issues with the way other forums conduct their business, I would simply to avoid frequenting such places and not slander them. If thay are bad, well, their reputations will speak for themselves, and people will leave those forums of their own accord. Consider it natural selection, it takes care of itself...
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