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Post by tsafa on Nov 15, 2010 3:53:47 GMT
I bought a Glock 19 today. It is a 3rd generation. I bought it used but in what appears to be almost new condition. The gun looks like it was barely used as it has all the original color with no wear except where it fit into a holster. Bore looks new. It was probably used as a duty sidearm and saw little action.
I took it to my home range to see how it shoots. I started shooting at about 20 feet. The shots seemed like they were on the 12x12 paper but all over the place. I then decided to shoot from a seated and sported position. My grip is textbook... and I was resting my hands on a shooting rest. I am very accurate with almost any handgun like this. My grouping improved but no where near what I expected. I was probably getting 8 inches at 20 feet... and grouping on the low side. I'm I expecting too much from the gun? I know it is a subcompact, but hay its a "Glock". It does not seem to be shooting much better then my Keltec P11, although the trigger feel is 100 times better on the Glock. Now that I think about it, the Hi Point C9 shoots better.
I find myself getting much tighter grouping with my Beretta 92 and Taurus 1911 at 50 feet then I am getting with the Glock 19 at 20 feet. I was running out of daylight so I only shoot 50 rounds. I would like to hear some opinions from other Glock 19 owners. Do I just need to practice more and get use to this gun? Is this as good as this gun will shoot? Did I get a bad apple? Am I missing something?
I also bought a Phonix .22 LR today. Very small gun, much more accurate out to 50 feet. The Glock 19 seems to be the only one I have bad aim with.
I am now thinking I should have bought a Glock 17 which has a longer barrel.
Edit: I forgot to mention I am shooting cheap Walmart Ammo, but I do that of all my guns. The 92FS and 1911 are on target none the less.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2010 5:44:56 GMT
Although I don't own one, I've fired the G19. I've heard this same complaint before. My understanding is that the gun has a "combat" trigger, not a "target" trigger. To get a good grouping off a G19, you have to slow down and really "work the gun". It takes some getting used to, but 8 inches at 20 feet is pretty rough. If that doesn't improve, you may want to take that pistol to a gunsmith. A good shooter on a Glock 19 can get a 2 to 3 inch group at 25 yards off a rest.
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Post by Wes on Nov 15, 2010 9:14:49 GMT
I own a Glock 19 and noticed the same thing with cheap rounds. I asked the store where I bought mine and it was suggested I switch to a higher grain round. I did and it helped. Not sure if it's the shorter barrel or what.
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Post by whitefeathers on Nov 15, 2010 13:41:41 GMT
try a different brand of ammo also, she might just be a fussy one.
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Post by chopper on Nov 15, 2010 14:54:47 GMT
Hey, tsafe
I hvae been in law enforcement for 15 years and have carried nothing but a Glock (don't claim to be any expert). I believe I have about 4 or 5 and have had no problem with their accuracy. I think this goes with most guns but I believe that you have to get use to what you shoot with. Right now I couldn't pick up any other hand gun and shoot as well with it as I do a Glock. Occasionally they will come from the factory needing a little adjustment to the rear sight but I wouldn't mess with it until shooting fundamentals have been addressed first. I don't know how often you shoot or for how long so I may be preaching to the chior but here are some things to concider;
1. Don't grip the hand gun too tightly. Your secondary hand should actually be a little tighter than the grip on the hand grip. Remember to relax. 2. When you put the sight picture up on target, level off the sights and then focus completely on the front sight. The rear sights should become blurry. This is normal. 3. It is normal for the sights to move arould a little on the target. There is no way to keep the gun completely still. At this point take the slack out of the trigger and squeeze until the gun goes off. Don't anticipate the shot. It should be a complete surprise. If one jerks the trigger when the sights line up in the center of the target it will cause a poor shot. 4. Make sure not to focus on where the bullet hit the target after each shot. This will cause the barrell to drop and cause the shots to go low. Fire all the shots first while focusing on the front sight, then check the target. 5. Also make sure not to over grip the trigger. Over gripping the grigger will cause the barrell to move to the left if you are a right hander and to the right if you are a lefty, causing the shots to go either lefft or right. Use the portion of the finger from the tip to the first joint. I have large hands and tend to put the joint of my finger on the trigger and have to focus on this when I shoot. 6. Remeber breath control. take a few deep breaths before shooting and hold it for a few shots then let it out. then repeat the process. Remember to breath. Your eyes need oxygen to properly focus.
Target shooting is 90% mental. I hope this helps, good luck!
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Post by chopper on Nov 15, 2010 14:59:39 GMT
Here is the first three shots from my new gen 4 glock, standing from 25 yards. We were issued the new guns this year and were testing the sights before qualificaiton. You may have to click on the pic to enlarge it. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2010 15:19:05 GMT
Good advice all, I'll definately be useing some of that advise to improve my shooting Chopper, Thanks. I would definately go and try some different ammo though. If you can shoot consistant with other pistols then it's probably the ammo. Some guns just don't like cheep ammo, like my kimber 1911 shoots like crap with remington ball ammo but when I run good JHP's threw it, it shoot much better. Now I'm no nail driver with it, I got alot more practice to do with a pistol but just switching up ammo I noticed a big difference in groups. Alot of the ppl I shoot with recomend either winchester or federal from their experiance remmington usually shoots like semprini unless you get their premier rounds. Hornady is a faster, hotter round and some guns like hotter rounds, others not so much. Each gun is different in what it likes, I'd go buy 4-5 different boxes of ammo and go shoot groups until you find the ammo your gun likes the best. Then you can still buy the cheep ammo for plinking and have some good accurate ammo for home defense or w/e.
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Post by ShooterMike on Nov 15, 2010 15:39:10 GMT
Bill, I would suspect you may be having a little trouble with the trigger (and the loose nut behind it) . Glock triggers take a little getting used to. When I don't shoot a Glock for a while, I get the same thing you're having. Also, I'd echo the comments about trying several different brands of ammo before writing your pistol off as inaccurate. All my Glocks seem to shoot the best with pretty hot 124 gr loads (like this www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM4310-1.html). Good luck with the new G19.
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Post by GUEST on Nov 15, 2010 15:57:00 GMT
Guess I,m one of the lucky one our two Glock 19's shoot well with all the cheap ammo I've used, mainly Winshester USA 115gr FMC. But I agree it could be an ammo problem. Some of my firearms will shoot tight groups with some ammo and patterms wtih others.
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Post by tsafa on Nov 15, 2010 16:58:57 GMT
Hay Mike, I am not sure if you were just kidding around or were actually suggesting there might be a loose nut behind the trigger (other then me).
I don't know why I just didn't jut pop a few rounds with the Winchester 9mm. I have plenty of it. I think I was just happy that the Federal and RWS I was shooting where not stove piping like they do in the Beretta. My Beretta only likes Winchester or my reloads. I think I figured that if the gun was not jamming, the ammo must be good. I will do more tests this weekend while at my range.
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Post by ShooterMike on Nov 15, 2010 22:30:37 GMT
I was just kidding. You are a loose nut after all.
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Post by chukissaki on Nov 16, 2010 4:42:54 GMT
Are you familiar with the Glocks trigger reset ? Unload and make a complete safe firearm. Take a good firng grip on the pistol, and squeeze the trigger. HOLD the trigger back after you dry-fire the pistol. While holding the trigger to the rear, cycle the slide to " reset" the trigger. Allow the trigger to slowly creep out ( forward ) while maintaining pressure on it, until you hear a click. The trigger has reset. Fire again, rinse and repeat. The amount of trigger pull is signifigantly less after resetting. This technique was used when our department recently switched from the Sig 229 to the Glock 22. Everyones scores are up. Cant figure out how to embed the video .... :evil:
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Post by Larry Jordan on Nov 16, 2010 5:04:47 GMT
Remove everything but "ks1Mt1is2UE" and place it between the youtube tags.
[youtube]ks1Mt1is2UE[/youtube]
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Post by chukissaki on Nov 16, 2010 5:08:19 GMT
Thanks.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Nov 16, 2010 5:19:05 GMT
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Post by tsafa on Nov 16, 2010 15:14:09 GMT
Holy sh1t ! I would have never guessed! Thanks for posting. Karma +1
I verified with a few other people that the ammo I was shooting should in fact shoot well so I was starting to think that the gun is just not for me. I will try the reset and let you guys know.
I used your tip to search and find these videos.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Nov 16, 2010 20:20:32 GMT
Tsafa,
I would recommend that you dry fire your glock a few hundred times. Quality of effort is essential here. Endeavor to keep the sights aligned on a small target and watch how the breaking trigger (and your follow through) disturbs your sight picture.
When you can impart no movement, grasshopper, it will be time for you to return to the range.
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Post by chukissaki on Nov 16, 2010 23:52:11 GMT
You can also lay a dime on top of the front sight post and practice your trigger control. If the dime falls off, you are doin it wrong !!!
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Post by tsafa on Nov 23, 2010 15:26:23 GMT
I got a chance to put a few hundred rounds through the Glock 19 this weekend. It turns out that it was mostly just a matter of getting use to the trigger. I was able to shoot it just as well with the Glock 19 as the Berretta 92 and 1911 after some practice. In the end I found that I preferred shooting the Glock 19 over the Berretta. I still think the Berretta is prettier
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Post by ShooterMike on Nov 23, 2010 15:34:35 GMT
Yeah, no doubt about it. The Glock is a homely pistol. I love mine, and carry one daily. But I still can't help thinking of it as "the tire iron of handguns."
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