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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on May 11, 2011 0:01:03 GMT
"casting goobers" interesting! haha :lol:
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Post by Nathan Robinson on May 11, 2011 0:10:58 GMT
I may have missed it given this topic's size, but what originals did you use to mold your waxes? There's so many interpretations out there of this and you mention you took yours from one of them. I'm curious as to which.
Ahhhh... so much work!
Let me add that I really enjoy the in-progress photos and in particular the sneak peek into the casting process. I don't think a lot of people realize the complexity involved here and in particular the number of steps needed to get the final product.
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Post by John Greybeard on May 11, 2011 1:14:18 GMT
No, no, no, Saito... casting goobers are not interesting - they are aggravating little pains in the arse, consisting mostly of bubbles that formed during the mold-dipping process I showed earlier. Bubbles of air caught in creases or cracks of the wax that get cast as little bits of bronze where they shouldn't be... arrrrgghhhhh!%@?^%@#!!! I'll point the little SOB's out to you in the photos tomorrow.
Hey Nathan, nice to see you over here! We started out with a pretty generic SLO knock-off; in all honesty, I'm not even sure who made it. I then worked on the waxes cast from molds of the original to try to get crisper detail and bring it closer to the Jody Samson original. I'll take some photos to show the development - stay tuned!
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Post by Alexander on May 11, 2011 2:10:34 GMT
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on May 11, 2011 11:15:15 GMT
i was speakng to he interetingness of the term itself, no the literal goobers :lol:
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Post by John Greybeard on May 12, 2011 3:09:20 GMT
Saito, I figured that - just couldn't resist the opportunity to semprini about them goobers... hahahahahahahahahere's some: Now this is really jumping the gun - the guard isn't chased or really fitted yet - but I couldn't resist putting it on blade #1... I just wanted to see it on there, and I figured you would too! Here are a couple of shots comparing the original with my re-worked version; hopefully some improvement will be apparent: Not a lot of change, really, just some tightening up... Now comes a lot of metal work...the grinding and the filing and the sanding and buffing and fitting and... well, you get the picture. But its just going to keep looking better!
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Post by Talon on May 12, 2011 5:23:03 GMT
absolutely stunning john ,see what you mean about the goobers :lol:
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Post by Deepbluedave on May 12, 2011 10:52:58 GMT
Hey John Great job so far am really likeing the process of show and tell, it gives me some understanding of what is going on in the process of making one kick ass sword.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 13, 2011 13:48:41 GMT
Just a note for the enthusiasts who may find this interesting: I have a little article / interview about the making of the swords. Jody Samson only made the stainless blades for the original swords. The sculptures were done by other prop makers who also fitted them to the blade. The Father's Sword and Atlantean swords were designed by Ron Cobb. A fellow named Tim Huchthausen made the sculptures for the Father's sword, and made the sculptures for the Atlantean in collaboration with Ralph Massey. Tim did the fitout to Jody's blades. Cool hey? It seems so common in the prop swrodmaking industry that the wrong makers are attributed to swords. Matt Stagmer has informed us that King Peter's Sword from the Narnia movies was actually made by Tony Swatton (Sword and Stone), not Peter Lyon as is often claimed.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on May 13, 2011 14:01:31 GMT
how will you fix those "goobers" john? just dremmel them off and polish it smooth?
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Post by John Greybeard on May 13, 2011 14:50:31 GMT
Wow, thank you, Brendan, for sharing that. You are absolutely right about the way one guy's name gets attached to a famous piece and that becomes gospel from then on. At least for those whose acquaintences don't include more knowledgeable friends who can take them a level deeper in understanding.
I particularly appreciate knowing more about how these legendary swords came into being, since at this point, I am becoming more proficient as a "cutler" or "furniture maker" and not really working as a "smith". I understand that back when swords were the weapon of choice for real combat, that such specialization was the norm, in both Eastern and Euro traditions. A specialist making blades, another the furniture, maybe even another putting it all together. I think the modern development of sword-makers who "do it all", like you, Jeff, John, Tinker, Gus and Jake, to name just a few, is probably a "new" tradition. And juding by the results, a very good one at that!
But for now, I'm going to have to be satisfied with putting the best hilts I can make on other's blades. And I'm OK with that. So thanks for bringing the contributions of some other, very talented, "furniture-makers" to light. BTW, do you have a link to the artcle you referenced? They say that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" So we need more!!! Hahahahahahaha... Thanks, Brendan!!!
Yup, Saito. Some rotary filing, some chiseling, some hand-filing and polishing. Voila! Goobers all gone! Hahahahahahaha
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on May 13, 2011 15:07:56 GMT
haha damn those goobers!
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Post by John Greybeard on May 13, 2011 15:09:59 GMT
Right, Bro - if it was easy, everybody would do it, eh? hahahahahahahahaha
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 13, 2011 15:54:38 GMT
Here you go, courtesy of my mate Nial Mitchell of Sword of Nial Fame. Cheers
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Post by Talon on May 13, 2011 16:47:20 GMT
great article brendan
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Post by Alexander on May 13, 2011 16:49:59 GMT
It is a shame that Ron Cobb doesn't get the credit he deserves.
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Post by Travis Nicko on May 13, 2011 17:01:41 GMT
Firggin' AWESOME, John! Thanks for the updates...I'm beginning to salivate as I imagine holding this crusher of a sword when mine's done!!! BWAAAAHHHAAAHAHAAHAHHA!!!!! :twisted:
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on May 13, 2011 17:53:31 GMT
Amen...
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Post by Bradleee42 on May 19, 2011 1:16:49 GMT
Awesome work John! Can't wait to see the final product.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on May 19, 2011 2:38:06 GMT
...and yet you must, and you will. :lol:
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