Good page Paul. That Gross Messer is just my style
This forum is going very well. It has attracted some very bright and well informed people. Everyone is also so curtious here, we don't have any of those flaming war problems that I see in other forums over petty issues. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.
I'm afraid I'm going to disagree about the grosse messer bein the best. in my opinion it is waaay overpriced and comes of as a chunck of metal rather than a true falchion. Russ Ellis, one of the most elite scabbard makers, has a small review of it here:
That was some good info you dug up Rammstein on that Gross Messer.
However, eventually I sold the sword and later learned that the new owner was using it to cut a pumpkin when the worst possible thing that could have happened did, namely a complete blade failure. The blade snapped off cleanly at the hilt.
I think the owner of that particular grosse messer was merely unlucky. I've personally used one and was not the nicest person in the world to it. It handled like a dream and cut good too.
And look at the coldsteel demo videos. They've got poor form and they're probably not completely honest, but it's hard to fake a grosse messer cleaving through a phone book into an oak block several times in a row and not being damaged.
Being production, there's bound to be some bad ones that get out. Even Cheness has had two instances where the blade was welded to the tang - yet we still reccommend Shura and Tenchi katanas...
It worries me a bit when people say the cold steel grosse messer is slow on recovery and doesn't balance well(I just read the cold-steel section on SBG).
It certainly DID balance poorly, but they have since added some distal taper to it. It's quite amazing actually. All the newer grosse messers almost float. I handled one right next to an Atrim at a recent ren. faire, and they were comparable.
I've incorporated a little from both ends here. But I tend to think that it's still a pretty good sword overall (I wasn't aware that the new model has a distal taper, thanks Adam - have added that tidbit of info in the review).
Actually, I think that its really great to be able to get feedback like this from you guys as I will always incorporate it to make my pages as relevant and up to date as possible..
hey thanks Paul for your readiness to listen to us . Though it might be a small, islolated forum thing (like our's here), its nice when we can have one on one discussions and share opinions with the guy who runs this awesome site
here's a disturbing piece from myarmoury however that I found...
"If the buyer is looking for a historically accurate Grosse Messer that handles with agility and ease while maintaining cutting power, this sword will not fit that order. There are too many inconsistencies present when compared to historical counterparts. The extreme weight and sluggish handling prevents it from being considered a weapon for martial arts use, and the lack of subtlety of form and line will keep it from being appealing to the collector looking for an authentic replica."
I'm pretty sure that the observations on the sluggishness of the blade are not relevant for the current distally tapered version and bow to Adam's recent experience handling this new version..
The brazed pommel is noted in Nathan's Review on My Armory as a little odd but unlikely to break. But still, it does look a little short and could be a tad longer (though perhaps the newer version has improved the length or method of threading - I don't know).
All in all, the official cold steel price of US$299 is probably a bit rich - but for $189.99 it's pretty much right on the money...
I made an interesting post in myarmoury to get info about the messer / falchion confusion. Paul, if you want to be historically accurate, I guess you'd have to change the topic to "Messers, Falchions, and Scimitars". A messer and a falchjion, while similar are not the same thing. Messers have more of what we would assosciate as a kitchen knife handle while falchions have more of a sword-like handle. The grosse messer is undoubtably a messer (if a shady one )
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