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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2007 23:30:24 GMT
After seeing some of the videos for this thing, it would appear that RSW finally has some real competition when it comes to inexpensive training simulators. www.ferruza.com/nylon/en/index.htmlMy initial analysis: RSWs are a bit safer, due to the padding that comprises the blades. Less protective gear needed for full contact sparring. LSWs are a bit more realistic - not thick blades like in RSW, and you don't need to oil them up to get a good winding characteristic. Of course this is subject to change with any further information I may get on them, including what I may come to discover as I'm thinking of ordering them...
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Post by ShooterMike on Oct 16, 2007 1:24:53 GMT
Adam,
This looks like what I've been looking for. Are you and Tom getting a pair? If so, would you please PM me with your initial opinions?
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Post by admin on Oct 16, 2007 1:51:40 GMT
Nice find Adam. It's good to see that there are some more alternatives out there starting to appear. +1 for some fruitful mining - look forward to hear how they go if you do get a couple.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2007 5:09:46 GMT
They appear to be very very new... I can't find any reviews on them anywhere, so I'm a little worried, but from what I see they should be awesome... They're also cheaper than the Swordcrafts aluminum wasters I was looking at getting.
Tom and I will be getting a pair.
I found them on youtube actually, just looking through longsword clips, when I stumbled across this one. The maker had made several comments that lead me to believe that he's not making them in very much bulk yet, so I don't know how long it will take to get them, but I will keep you all posted.
If they're as good as they say they are, then it'll be a godsend to my training.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2007 6:00:25 GMT
Very interesting. I have sent a link to my WMA group. They had tried RSW but were unhappy with the thickness. Perhaps this will be to their likeing. Its flat, so they can't complain about that.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Oct 22, 2007 8:19:57 GMT
Looks not bad to me. Hope it helps the progress of WMA quality.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 11:59:33 GMT
There is a guy in the US who makes nylon wasters, too. The name of the business is With Intent Wasters: www.freewebs.com/wiwasters/These are not padded practice weapons like RSW, but are more akin to wooden waster. They supposedly behave more like steel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 16:03:09 GMT
Just what the hell kind of plastics are these guys using? That is what i would like to know
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 17:26:22 GMT
I'm afraid without any padding or shock absortion material in the weapon, we still have to use body armor or control the impact in free-sparring.
I like the idea that new materials are being tested, sooner or later they will get it perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 22:37:14 GMT
The plastic (nylon) wasters are not meant to be like an RSW weapon. They are not padded and are meant to be used as one would use a wooden waster. They are just supposed to behave more like steel as opposed to wood.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2007 3:24:03 GMT
Jonathan, I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a wise-ass, I just am just trying to figure out how they would be best used. Steel blunts are best for drilling because they are closest to real swords. Padded swords are best for sparring, because of safety concerns. Where do nylon swords fit into this picture? Are they a cheaper alternative to steal blunts?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2007 4:35:12 GMT
Jonathan, I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a wise-ass, I just am just trying to figure out how they would be best used. Steel blunts are best for drilling because they are closest to real swords. Padded swords are best for sparring, because of safety concerns. Where do nylon swords fit into this picture? Are they a cheaper alternative to steal blunts? I didn't think that. Yes, I believe that is their intent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2007 5:06:30 GMT
Exactly how much cheaper are we talking I didn't notice any prices.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2007 5:40:37 GMT
Charles, the plastic wasters are running between $100-$120. Just a little cheaper then the Hanwai H&H, $120. The Hanwai's have been breaking all over the place so that is not an option in my WMA group. The next step up is a Gen 2 blunt $130. The one my group tried was too heavy, but I think Gen2 may have changed it. After that your got Badger Blades $300. Most of those are too heavy, some are good. You should only buy one after you handle it . They have a life time warrently against anything, even tree chopping. At the high end you have Arms and Armor blunts, $400+. They handle like high end swords.
For myself I just order an Alchem longsword blunt $250. I have handled one at a fair it feels good. I fence with alchem rapiers and they have a good reputaion in rapier fencing circles. If mine turns out to be good, NYHFA will consider buying a few of them as loaner gear for newbies.
So Charles, that is how the prices work out. The real issue is what is acceptable to your training group. Most of the guys in my group all have $450 blunts and don't want to use wood or plastic. Unless you train with just a friend or two, it is not really a descision that you can make on your own.
One thing I noticed about the With Intent wasters, I think they are a little too light. The H&H is 2 lbs 2 oz. The single is 1 lb 8 oz.
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