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Post by ShooterMike on May 31, 2007 3:58:16 GMT
Hey guys, you wanna know a secret?? Here goes.... I touch myself.... lol Just had to, I am sorry. While training? Or while fighting?
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Post by rammstein on May 31, 2007 14:33:46 GMT
Hm...This is going to be essentially the same argument that I put up for left handed acceptance in JSA so Chopchop, bear with me here . Just because it's tradition doesn't mean it's right. America has a tadition of slavery and discrimination, does that mean that we should follow it? Respect has a whole different meaning than religious observance. I like WMA but I'm not about to go to my local synogogue and massacre 17 jews because that's what knights would do. I think that the argument "well the samurai did it so it must be right" is following cultural prejudices and steryotypes insteading of thinking for oneself. Please read Thoreau's essay "Civil Disobedience" and you'll see why I disagree with this even though so many people follow it. It may be unpopular to argue with tradition but, honestly, tradition doesn't mean much. I have had no training with sharpened weapons yet I bought myself my first sharped sword when I was barely 16 (my birthday was a week or two before, I think...). Would you deny me a sword because of my age? Again, I've NEVER trained with sharpened weapons and my only experience with real swords have been unsharpened ones and just swining them around (albiet, quite a lot) my yard for half a decade. I have never hurt myself or others and I fancy myself as having quite a bit of control with my swords. I can precision cut bottles - I've gotten upwards of 20 cuts out of an empty bleach bottle (and inch or two taller than a milk jug)- and I know the limits my swords can take. I respect my weapons and keep them in fine working condition. I don't swing at people or animals and I fully appreciate the killing capacity of what I hold in my left hand. Again, I'm only 16. Does age make much of a difference? I probably have more experience than a few people here who are already buying their first sharpened swords, yet they could be 20 years or more older than me! Just trying to point out that age is not really that important.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2007 19:34:47 GMT
That is one of the things I like about the SCA. They use the opposite training approach of JSA. Rather then trying to teach you everything and then letting you fight after a few years... they check your armor to make sure you won't get seriously hurt, teach you one basic shot, and tell you to go hit people with it. You'll learn the rest as you go along. It is more of a training on the job type of attitude. They also believe pain is a great teacher, if you get hit enough times and it hurts, you'll start learning to use your shield, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2007 2:09:25 GMT
How much would I need to invest in beginner equipment to get involved in this Tsafa?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2007 3:35:35 GMT
Most Shires or local SCA groups have loaner armor to let you at least try it out before making an investment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2007 22:58:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2007 22:47:11 GMT
Hm...This is going to be essentially the same argument that I put up for left handed acceptance in JSA so Chopchop, bear with me here . Just because it's tradition doesn't mean it's right. America has a tadition of slavery and discrimination, does that mean that we should follow it? Respect has a whole different meaning than religious observance. I like WMA but I'm not about to go to my local synogogue and massacre 17 jews because that's what knights would do. I think that the argument "well the samurai did it so it must be right" is following cultural prejudices and steryotypes insteading of thinking for oneself. Please read Thoreau's essay "Civil Disobedience" and you'll see why I disagree with this even though so many people follow it. It may be unpopular to argue with tradition but, honestly, tradition doesn't mean much. I have had no training with sharpened weapons yet I bought myself my first sharped sword when I was barely 16 (my birthday was a week or two before, I think...). Would you deny me a sword because of my age? Again, I've NEVER trained with sharpened weapons and my only experience with real swords have been unsharpened ones and just swining them around (albiet, quite a lot) my yard for half a decade. I have never hurt myself or others and I fancy myself as having quite a bit of control with my swords. I can precision cut bottles - I've gotten upwards of 20 cuts out of an empty bleach bottle (and inch or two taller than a milk jug)- and I know the limits my swords can take. I respect my weapons and keep them in fine working condition. I don't swing at people or animals and I fully appreciate the killing capacity of what I hold in my left hand. Again, I'm only 16. Does age make much of a difference? I probably have more experience than a few people here who are already buying their first sharpened swords, yet they could be 20 years or more older than me! Just trying to point out that age is not really that important. There you go again mate, jumping on the defensive. Your logic is not that of every 16 y.o , so why do you act like it is ? 16 or 60 mate, noone uses shinken at first, NOONE ! By the way mate, learning kenjutsu for 18 years is not " playing samurai ". Playing samurai is untrained obnoxious 16 y.o's waving steel swords at one another . And yes junior, I CAN THINK FOR MYSELF !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2007 22:59:15 GMT
age is important. you'll realize that the older you get.
also, using slavery and murder as support for an argument against honoring the rules of one's martial system is a little... imbalanced. the bottom line is, if you don't want to follow tradition, don't take a traditional martial art. but don't make the mistake of thinking someone else is brainwashed because they enjoy things you do not.
jason
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Post by rammstein on Jun 2, 2007 23:10:27 GMT
I have no doubt mate I'm just really sick of age being a factor in...everything... To tradition. I don't agree with it, we knew that already. Just because it was done is japan culturally doesn't mean anything to me if the same effectiveness can be accomplished another way. I value critical thinking and analysis of ones ways rather than strict observance to tradition. Jason, don't take traditional martial arts? A bit hard to do that when you're as much of a fan as I am. I guess it's just a necessary evil...tradition and all. But I'm not switching hands ;D Hey chopchop, that is in no way what I meant and I feel horrible that it was misunderstood like that . You know I have full respect for what you do. 18 years is amazing Cold beer over that and no hard feelings ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2007 23:18:13 GMT
To tradition. I don't agree with it, we knew that already. Just because it was done is japan culturally doesn't mean anything to me if the same effectiveness can be accomplished another way. I value critical thinking and analysis of ones ways rather than strict observance to tradition. i would think that for many practitioners, the martial arts are not just about learning the most effective way to destroy and, specifically, traditional japanese swordsmanship is not just about learning the fastest and most effective way to kill a man (particularly in modern times). there is something in the journey itself that makes the art practical today. it seems that for chop (yeah, a lot of supposition going on here), jsa is not just about "effectiveness". it's the process of learning and humbling yourself and being humbled by others that is so beautiful to many. not just the flash of metal and the spray of water from slain milk jugs : P any jsa practitioners and martial artists agree or am i just being a romantic? p.s. just because it's tradition don't automatically assume it's wrong. jason
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Post by rammstein on Jun 2, 2007 23:20:45 GMT
Of course. But just because it's tradition doesn't mean it should be followed.
I Think that I am probably the one missing it here not you guys. These are my views and not anyone elses, so go ahead and feed your romantic side ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2007 23:24:20 GMT
go ahead and feed your romantic side ;D yesssssssssssSSSSSSSSS! who wants to watch titanic and eat some chunky monkey?!?!? wait... damnit! jason
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Post by rammstein on Jun 2, 2007 23:30:24 GMT
Ok That would be sccary if chunky monkey wasn't MY favorite ice cream too talk about freaky!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2007 0:02:40 GMT
Ok That would be sccary if chunky monkey wasn't MY favorite ice cream too talk about freaky! this never happened. go about your business and make eye contact with no one. jason
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Post by chakobsa on Jun 3, 2007 0:09:46 GMT
J. Villarreal, Rammstein, !! Guys! get a room or meet up at the "Blue Oyster Club" or whatever. I know it's the 21st century and everthing, but keep it of the forum! ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2007 0:15:22 GMT
J. Villarreal, Rammstein, !! Guys! get a room or meet up at the "Blue Oyster Club" or whatever. I know it's the 21st century and everthing, but keep it of the forum! ;D ;D jealousy rears its ugly head! jason
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Post by rammstein on Jun 3, 2007 0:17:24 GMT
Pedaphiles both of you ! ;D 'sides, I'm taken.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2007 0:18:36 GMT
what's a pederast, walter?
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Post by rammstein on Jun 3, 2007 0:19:43 GMT
Gandalf's other brother, maybe ;D?
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Post by chakobsa on Jun 3, 2007 0:29:44 GMT
J. Villarreal, Rammstein, !! Guys! get a room or meet up at the "Blue Oyster Club" or whatever. I know it's the 21st century and everthing, but keep it of the forum! ;D ;D jealousy rears its ugly head! jason Lol. ;D
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