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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2007 1:07:18 GMT
Wraps are very tricky. You should try to borrow someone's phone and post a vid so we can work on it. I would hate to have you develop bad form. Then it becomes harder to train you right. It is hard to break bad habits when they form. It took a lot of drilling to get me to through my shots right, and I'm still working on them.
You seem very interested so you got to get yourself to an SCA practice ASAP. Even if you can't fight, they will teach you the shots. Then you can practice those on your pell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2007 13:36:23 GMT
Hello Tsafa, I know a couple that used to be heavy into SCA and they still know some around here that are in it. I think there is a group that meets here in Millbrook. I went a while back to the time and place and no one was there. But I will look into it. But I thought they were strictly medieval, etc.. Would anyone in SCA use or know much about sabres? But as I said, I will look into it. I realize now that if you are really going to learn and practice then you need to be around someone or other people doing it too, especially a partner. Thanks, FB
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2007 13:56:17 GMT
Hey y'all, I was going to post something here about the effect of a proper lunge using full power on a pell, but decided to post a whole knew post on "The power of the Lunge!" Check it out on this General Training forum. Freebooter
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2007 14:01:30 GMT
Hi Freebooter, SCA practices defiantly pick up in the spring time. Each area also has there own mailing lists, so it is a matter of getting into the click. Then you will have up to date practice info in email notices. The SCA also has a Rapier and Sidesword section. This is unarmored fighting. They use flexible steel. I have seen a number of guys using Arabian style curved swords. The rules in my area allow for controlled thrusts and slices, no hacks. You will have to see what the rules in your area are when you get there. Another option you might consider is to into rattan/armored fighting and order rattan that has a natural curve to it. Plants don't always grow straight. Use only one side. You should be able to make some good contacts and ask some questions at www.sca.org
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2007 11:12:53 GMT
I was discussing pell practice with a few other guys at my fight practice yesterday and a few good points came up. One guy said that when he works the pell, he is particularly conscience of where his elbow is in relation to his wrist, and where his blade is in relation to his wrist.
On the off-side shot make sure your elbow comes up to your ear line. The wrist should be on the same line as you elbow or below that. This will allow you to drop the blade behind the enemy shield. Elbow should never, never be below your wrist and bladeline. That will result in a diagonal blow that can only hit the enemy shield.
On the on-side you want to bring your elbow in quickly across your left pec muscle and have your right wrist high above your eyeline. Your right wrist should end up about 4 inches past your left eye over your eyebrow. The blade should be at the same line as your wrist or dipping below that in an effort to get behind the shield. Blade should never be above the wrist or you will only hit a shield.
Wrap is hard to expain... the elbow needs to sort of drive forward first. Then wrist swings around and rotates the sword to is false edge for a wrap around to the back of the head, back or legs.
Another person at practice added that he visualizes to sword making contact about six inches into the pell (or on the other side of the head). This will insure a hard hit. He felt that if you don't do this, the tendency will be to start recovering before your shot has had a chance to do its job, should it get past the other persons defense.
Let me know if any of this needs detail. I probably need to go through my own videos and clean myself up a bit too.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2007 20:20:53 GMT
I updated the following videos today on the webpage:
on-side off-side wrap scorpion wrap
I think these videos are more clear then the prior ones.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2007 20:54:47 GMT
Hey Tsafa, I got an e-mail from some local SCA gal who belongs to a group on my area. She told me when and where they meet here in my home town. Neat! I will have to drop by and check it out. FB
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2007 22:53:07 GMT
Excellent. Keep us up to date on your progress.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2007 2:17:58 GMT
Hey Tsafa, I got me some bigger nails and repaird my pell. The tires evidently were too heavy for the nails I used, which I just sort of hung the tires on instead of cutting them in half and mounting them the way they were on the Cold Steel DVD. Either they were too heavy or my rambunctious boy hung on it or something. Anyway, I got my tires back up.
So today I practiced my moves for the first time in a while. I am no expert but it is fun. About six inches of the 4X4 sticks up above the tire like a neck or head or something. I had an old plastic dish thing (those plastic pink things a hospital gives you to throw up in) and hung it upside down over this "neck". I wanted to see what the reverse cut, or whatever you call it when you act like you are cutting then reverse your wrist and cut someone with the false edge or dig the point in from that angle. Man, yu can rake someone with that point in that backward or reversed angle! I made like I was coming in from the right to cut at the head, pretended like I was parried and instantly side stepped and reversed my wrist and did a wrap cut or popped it with that hook like point and false edge. Man! It slaughtered that big bowl thing! I am going to cut me a piece of old conveyer belt and mount it on top of and around that stump above the tire to have a "head/neck" area to practice some little things on. Freebooter
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2007 2:48:57 GMT
I know they have a pretty big following in North Texas, I will look into it soon. I just don't have the money for all the armor you need to fight.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2007 20:11:31 GMT
Good going Freebooter. When you practice your wraps, get use to the idea of steping to the left and sligtly forward with you right leg (if you are right handed). In effect you close in a little. Be aware that that right leg is now a target for your oppenent as it has no shield coverage, so from there recover back into a defensive position quickly.
Keep your your elbow in and hilt close to your head durring the wind up and then let the swords momentum do the work. If you let you sword drift out during the windup you will stess your shoulder needlessly. You don't want shoulder stress.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2007 0:09:45 GMT
Thanks. It is too bad all us saberites live so far apart. Fb
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2007 20:10:03 GMT
Moulinet I put up a short video demonstrating a Moulinet. The word Moulinet can be loosely used to describe any twisting motion, so I am really demonstrating a version here that works well and has a purpose. The purpose is to cut down vertically along the inside of the shield. The geometry normally makes it impossible for a right handed fighter to cut down the inside of the shield of another right-handed fighter. By lifting the hilt up high and pointing the tip down, you are now in a position to strike with the back of the sword. The twisting motion allows you to now hit the person behind the shield. This strike is usually hard enough to understand if you see it live and it is repeated several times, I doubt any video will make it clear enough, but I will post one anyway. mysite.verizon.net/tsafa1/armor/Moulinet.MPGThe hardest part is getting into position for this strike. You will normally set it up with an off-side shot that points the tip down and raises the hilt up. From there you bring down the elbow and rotate the sword or whatever weapon on its point of balance. You can also set this strike up with a thrust down toward his hip and bring the false edge up from there. Another variation is to thrust rather then cut.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2007 21:48:33 GMT
I checked out the video. Neat! I will try to remember that move. It is similar to what I was doing to get "around" a guard, block or strike, when I was coming in from one side or the other on my pell, and pretending to be parried or blocked, or dodging a strike, I would twist my wrist and reverse my blade hitting with the false edge and point as I withdrew it. Practicing with a sword is fun to me. I love the feel of a sabre or sword in my hand. FB
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