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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2010 21:26:07 GMT
Hi folks,
Lots of talk lately about this new, superb steel, but when I do a search on SFI, I get nothing, and google is no help!!
Anyway, I ordered the 25th Anniversary Hanwei Shinto with the silver furniture, and it has the HWS-1 steel - supposedly the same as the new "pine katana" from Bugei.
So, what is this still similar to, if anything, that we're familiar with? 1095, 9260 spring steel, L6, bainite?
I'm just trying to get an idea of the heat treatment/hardening, and related info regarding this blade.
If you guys can find actual threads on SFI, please post or send me a PM so I can view (no luck so far on SFI)....
Should have my Torakami tomorrow - will post pics.
Thx all,
Chib
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Post by wiwingti on Mar 8, 2010 21:29:40 GMT
i would say Han Wei Style #1 lol
kidding man,
when i asked i had that same answer from my representative , and it was wrote exactly like here
Details of the steel below for your review-
The sword features Hanwei's own high-alloy Silicone/Manganese HWS-1 steel blade with outstanding hamon. This steel is made in Hanwei's new factory, with high-tech equipment, producing a very pure advanced-metallurgy blade with the best edge-holding capability and resilience of any blade ever produced by Hanwei.
Thank you,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2010 23:36:24 GMT
I can only guess, but HWS-1
H = Hanwei W-1 for W-1 steel, used in katana S = Silicone
So I imagine that it is a variant of W-1 with the addition of silicone which is added to 1060 to make 9260 for added resilience. It is their own blend so I doubt if specs are available.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2010 1:07:49 GMT
The info I found about the HWS-1 is that it's a high chromium steel. Is this a different HWS-1?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2010 16:56:58 GMT
So I now wonder if we can expect to see a standard production line sword made from this new steel. I mean the the 25th ann, Shinto was limited Ed and sold out already. I can't imagine they bothered to come up with this new fancty steel alloy, just for 250 swords. We should keep an eye out at Hanwei(other then the new Bugei) for a new sword.
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Post by slav on Mar 9, 2010 17:05:52 GMT
Honestly, the new Bugei is probably it for a while. I doubt that Hanwei would want to cannibalize Bugei's first movers/early adopters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2010 4:34:10 GMT
I have orders the same sword and i was looking up info on the sword as well and cant seem to find anything. It is frustrating to say the east. However i am extremely excited to get the sword. I think it is one of the most beautiful swords out there. Have you gotten yours yet? Pictures?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2010 15:41:15 GMT
So I now wonder if we can expect to see a standard production line sword made from this new steel. I mean the the 25th ann, Shinto was limited Ed and sold out already. I can't imagine they bothered to come up with this new fancty steel alloy, just for 250 swords. We should keep an eye out at Hanwei(other then the new Bugei) for a new sword. From what i understand the same steel is being utilized on thier new Bamboo Mat and Lion Dog katana as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2010 19:21:32 GMT
If you look very closely, HWS-1 steel is also used in their folder and fixed blade knives! Don't know how good the knives are though...any of you guys bought these things?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2010 22:05:17 GMT
the 25th Shinto's blade wont be the same style as the others; along with the new steel. i hope its a bit thicker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 21:10:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 22:07:04 GMT
they told me it was propriety information... you guys seem to have come up with more info than i did.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2010 23:32:09 GMT
Kinda on topic. I just revived an email that my CAS Hanwei 25th Anniversary Shinto will be shipping this week. I hope to have pictures up soon!! I still cant find much out about the steal that it is made of and the quality's or characteristics of it other than what you guys have posted. but the sword it self and the Choji-style hamon looks fantastic to me. I cant wait!
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Post by mrkrinkle on Jul 19, 2010 11:50:03 GMT
Ummm......that's wall conduit. Those numbers are not the steel type, they're the conduit size HWS-1/2 is half inch......HWS-2/3 is two thirds an inch, etc.........LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 5:50:23 GMT
Big fan of the Hanwei, may need to check this one out. Seriously, Hanwei needs to come up with a ultra-sonic blade soon that vibrates at ultra-sonic frequencies to aid in cutting... Tehehee
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Post by bpogue on Jul 22, 2010 14:11:57 GMT
Hey guys,
Haven't been on in a while, lurk occasionally but need to get better at hanging out...
So anyway just to clear up a few things;
There are actually FOUR new proprietary steels from Hanwei, most of the confusion came from us, I know, and I apologize! Two are formulated for swords (HWS-1S and HWS-2S) and two are formulated for knives (HWS-1K and HWS-2K).
The names simply stand for HanWei Steel 1 or 2 K (knife) or S (sword)
There are currently four katana from CAS using the new steels; Silver Anniversary Shinto, Lion Dog, Bamboo Mat, and Colonel's Gunto. As well as the (very cool) Bugei offering.
Here's a video of James during testing;
Blake
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2010 0:58:52 GMT
I did run across some additional information regarding this steel, PLEASE BARE IN MIND THAT THIS IS FROM A KNIFE MAGAZINE. Here are two examples.
H-1 is unique among blade materials, as it is completely rust proof and exceptionally tough. An austenitic steel, H-1 does not go through a traditional heat treating process. Instead, it "work hardened".
Another example for another knife.
"HWS-1K (Knife is harden to an RC of 59- 60). Not much information is provided on HWS-1K but it is made and promoted by Hanwei as being a "High-alloy forging steel" having "exceptional corrosion resistance"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2010 22:23:08 GMT
Though I have yet to see one of these blades personally, I feel compelled to make this comment. Why do i get the feeling that this new HWS1 steel is another marketing gimmick? true metallurgy plays a vital part of forging metal into works of art, but without proper effort and focus a chunk of steel is what it is at the end of the day, a chunk of steel. Feel free to enlighten me about this new miracle steel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 0:11:07 GMT
I also have the feeling that this new HWS1 and HWS2 steel is another marketing gimmick. They (Hanwei) can not even tell us what is is comparable too.
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Post by Ronin Katana on Aug 8, 2010 0:41:54 GMT
I also have the feeling that this new HWS1 and HWS2 steel is another marketing gimmick. They (Hanwei) can not even tell us what is is comparable too. Several of the larger forges in China actively buy anything new Hanwei comes out with in an effort to either duplicate or improve it. There is definitely a valid reason for not mentioning how something is made in China. I suspect most of the marketing guys simply have not been told what the steel is composed of and exactly how it's forged. None of the Cas/Hanwei execs I have met have even been to the Hanwei forge in China. They simply repeat what they are told.
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