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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 3:09:07 GMT
Hey guys. After seeing a few reviews and discussions on the Hanwei/Tinker Longsword it seems like a good purchasing choice especially since I've started studying German Longsword at my local club. Concerning the sharp version, is the relatively small problem with the seemingly sub par edge being addressed/fixed? I mean, I'll still buy the thing and do the edge myself if I have to. I was wondering if Tinker himself could shed some light on the issue? I'd PM or email him but I'm sure there are a few people out there wondering the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 10:18:51 GMT
Well...it's sorta of an ongoing thing. Their first reply to the too dull was what you see on the bastard sword...which in a WAY to sharp angle. Then they did a good job on the EMS and then went back to being lax (but not as bad as the longsword or the bastard sword) on the viking. I don't think they have done a second run of the longsword yet...but tinker is working on getting the edge done nicely...we just need hanwei to be able to pull it off (and honestly I don't know why they can't when they can sharpen their katanas so well).
Meanwhile, sword nation has started a sharpening option for these sword for an extra 30 bucks...no idea if it's any good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 11:37:53 GMT
The bad thing is that they're all secondary bevels; it's probably best to expect to re-do the edge yourself and just apply a nice apple seed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 12:42:43 GMT
I don't want to start a war here, but secondary bevel is only great problem for us warriors who fight against bottles. Historically there was a lot of swords with secondary bevels and they were certainly good enough to kill people. So we are perfectionists here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 12:53:12 GMT
On historical swords, secondary bevels were often caused by the warriors while resharpening their swords. The new sword mostly had a nice single bevel but since the normal soldier wasn't a blacksmith nor had he the tools to sharpen a nicked and/or blund blade proberly, he just used some crude hand sharpening stones. So after a few battles and the following sharpening the sword ended up with a secondary bevel. The blade still was more than sharp enough to cut human flesh so the soldier didn't care about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 19:11:51 GMT
I have yet to see the new run of longswords with the 'corrected' edges so I'm still waiting just like everyone else. If you order one you are most likely to get one with secondary bevels so you should plan on doing some re-sharpening.. Mind you I have yet to see one of these swords that I could not reliably cut with but the first batch could have been much better.
Honestly the secondary edge bevel 'thing' in general is a marketing thing started by a US sword company as a way to 'diss' other makers work without criticizing them openly. Secondary edge bevels work just fine when they are done correctly. The issue with the first run of swords wasn't that they had a secondary bevel- it's that the secondary bevel was done badly.
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Post by enkidu on Jul 20, 2009 19:26:14 GMT
Honestly the secondary edge bevel 'thing' in general is a marketing thing started by a US sword company as a way to 'diss' other makers work without criticizing them openly. Secondary edge bevels work just fine when they are done correctly. The issue with the first run of swords wasn't that they had a secondary bevel- it's that the secondary bevel was done badly. I like that part.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 19:51:47 GMT
Ah, well if Tinker says so, it's probably correct. Consider me enlightened now in that respect Still...that apple seed's mighty pretty. I'm still unsure if I'll go for one of these longswords or the Krieg first, though. M.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 20, 2009 20:30:21 GMT
I don't have a Hanwei "Tinker" model so I can't comment on that particular brand. However in defense of secondary bevels (I used to hate the idea of em), I have a few swords that have em. Some came that way from the factory and some were applied by a sharpening service. I have had no problem cutting bottles with any of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 21:20:01 GMT
Oh crap! I didn't know secondary bevels were bad, the only two swords I own that don't have secondary bevels would be 2 United Cutlery swords, a Katana and an O-Katana. They have flat gound blades that were shaving sharp out of the box. I have always tried to keep my bevels to no more that 30 degrees. They still shave and cut bottles easily.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 21:21:53 GMT
I am eagerly awating the Hanwei Tinker Type XIIIa due in September.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 21:54:15 GMT
I have yet to see the new run of longswords with the 'corrected' edges so I'm still waiting just like everyone else. If you order one you are most likely to get one with secondary bevels so you should plan on doing some re-sharpening.. Mind you I have yet to see one of these swords that I could not reliably cut with but the first batch could have been much better. Honestly the secondary edge bevel 'thing' in general is a marketing thing started by a US sword company as a way to 'diss' other makers work without criticizing them openly. Secondary edge bevels work just fine when they are done correctly. The issue with the first run of swords wasn't that they had a secondary bevel- it's that the secondary bevel was done badly. Cheers for the reply Tinker. I look forward to owning one of your Longswords soon . The secondary bevel demonisation seems akin to the "whippyness" debacle in terms of buzz words for sword buyers/users.
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