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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2009 14:45:03 GMT
Greetings all,
As many of you know, I'm a Chinese Swords guy. However, I've been wanting to cross over to the Euro darkside. For those who also venture the Chinese Sword forum, you may know that I'm a bigger fan of the Chinese Saber, particularly the Niu Wei Dao (Ox Tail Saber) which is a "chopper" type sword, although I do also love the Jian which is a "cut and thrust" type blade but known for being extremely light weight (1.5-2lb range). So my question for this group is what types of Euro blades would be good for me to start with. I'm also going to be purchasing Christian Tobler's book "Fighting with the German Longsword" to start learning the proper techniques to use a Euro blade with, if this makes any difference in blade consideration.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jul 12, 2009 16:23:58 GMT
well if you will be learning longsword techniques then you should have a longsword. none comes more highly reccomended on a budget than the Valiant Armory Practical long. of course if you have more budget you may want to look into an ATrim or Albion. if you really need to go lower than the mid-two-hundreds the V.A. costs there is always Windlass but you need to make careful and educated choices on Windlass longswords they are notorious for being wimpy but some of them are still quite good.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 12, 2009 16:33:21 GMT
Ya know... there are one or two single handed Atrim swords I seem to recall Gus saying people also use for Thi Chi sword practice... I remember thinking that was weird at the time, but that poped into my head when I read your post. As for Dao styles... maybe a good Falchion? I want an Atrim Archangel Falchion bad.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 12, 2009 16:36:03 GMT
Ditto, the VA practical LS. This one has the advantage of coming in sharp or blunt as your purposes require. I think it would go well with the afore mentioned book.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2009 19:27:45 GMT
Thanks guys I'll check out that VA practical longsword. Would KoA have the best price, or should I talk to Sonny directly? Also, does VA have a practical arming sword for a single hander?
I was thinking of going with the CS Messer for a falchion (but all of this is a bit far in the future) but I heard the weight and balance of it isn't that great. Thanks for the advice.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 12, 2009 20:01:40 GMT
Thanks guys I'll check out that VA practical longsword. Would KoA have the best price, or should I talk to Sonny directly? Also, does VA have a practical arming sword for a single hander? YUp... VA has a practical arming sword as well as the long sword, I have both, love em. Both KoA or SwordNation have about the same price, when you consider sword nation offers free shipping in the USA. Best price I have seen on them is at the SBG store, actually... since they also offer free shipping in the USA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2009 20:57:08 GMT
Thanks (*heads over to the SBG store link*) Now which of them offer lay-away
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2009 21:35:19 GMT
Swords Of Might offers lay-a-way. If Jason dosen't have what you want on his site just shoot him an email and ask him if he can get it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 13:29:45 GMT
I'll keep that in mind Monkey, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 15:02:18 GMT
For that book, you can't go wrong with the VA AT304S (long sword)...I have the single hand variant and its a neat little sword, but I hear that the longsword actually has better handling characteristics than its shorter brethren. Good luck, LP.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 18:23:22 GMT
Thanks, now to head over to the SBG store and KoA and drool for awhile.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 3:53:28 GMT
Is it too late to add my kudos to the Atrim/VA Practical longsword/Arming Sword?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 13:58:50 GMT
Is it too late to add my kudos to the Atrim/VA Practical longsword/Arming Sword? Nope, not to late. It's going to be at least a few months before I can get any Euro swords but I do have the VA Practical Longsword (AT304S) and Practical Arming Sword (AT303S) already added to my Amazon wish list from KoA. So they will be bought at some point. I've heard good things about the I-beam trainer so that might be a thought for a training weapon, as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 15:10:06 GMT
yes, the V-A / Atrim I-Beam would be a good choice for a trainer especially if your seriously going to persue long-sword studies.
cheers,
Bill
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 16:41:57 GMT
Well I think I'm gonna have to be a voice of dissent against getting the VA practical for german longswordmanship. Yes it can be done...but it isn't what is best out there for this style. The hanwei tinker longsword is better IMHO. Yes it has edge issue that may come up on cutting without some work, but it is a good sharp sword for german longswordmanship and the blunt makes for a useable drill weapon but a bit too thin on the edge and stiff for sparring.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 17:01:18 GMT
To each their own.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 22:29:48 GMT
Well I think I'm gonna have to be a voice of dissent against getting the VA practical for german longswordmanship. Yes it can be done...but it isn't what is best out there for this style. The hanwei tinker longsword is better IMHO. Yes it has edge issue that may come up on cutting without some work, but it is a good sharp sword for german longswordmanship and the blunt makes for a useable drill weapon but a bit too thin on the edge and stiff for sparring. So what's wrong with the VA practical for German longsword, Cold? Just curious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 6:27:58 GMT
Well I think I'm gonna have to be a voice of dissent against getting the VA practical for german longswordmanship. Yes it can be done...but it isn't what is best out there for this style. The hanwei tinker longsword is better IMHO. Yes it has edge issue that may come up on cutting without some work, but it is a good sharp sword for german longswordmanship and the blunt makes for a useable drill weapon but a bit too thin on the edge and stiff for sparring. So what's wrong with the VA practical for German longsword, Cold? Just curious. It doesn't move as nicely and as crisp. And the point control on the VA practial longsword is quite lacking when compared to the hanwei. Not sayng you can't do it...but if you can resharpen the edge or you can live with the hanwei edge, I just think it's a better sword to use for the german style.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 10:46:38 GMT
ahhh yeah I can understand that. I guess Type XVIII's are meant to be damn quick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 12:01:16 GMT
XIIa's were in use before the German schools of longsword and they are made for another purpose. For longsword fencing you need XVa, XVIIIa, b, maybe XVII or XXa...
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