Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 0:29:22 GMT
Hi guys I've recently made an order for the Coldsteel greatsword from Kultofathena www.kultofathena.com/product~item~CS88WGS~name~Cold+Steel+Two+Handed+Great+Sword.htm#It was after the order before I discovered there was a even bigger two hander, the Del Tin German 2 hander kultofathena.com/product~item~DT5168.htmFrom what I hear Coldsteel swords tend to hit and miss at times, miss more than not, which isn't exactly favourable. Heres the review. /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=6155 While I understand that Del Tin is a reputable manufacturer, so is Coldsteel and none of the swords have the hot peened pommel construction, instead having a nut construction. In swords of that size structural integrity comes first and I'm kinda worried about the safety concerns of it. Is the hot peened pommel really that much superior and how bad are the nut construction? There really hasn't been a review on a similar sword to the Del Tin German 2hander so I'd like to hear what you guys think of the two, thanks!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 1:30:55 GMT
Read the specs on the Del Tin. The two hander has a nut inside the pommel because it is too big to ship peened. Del Tin is vastly superior in everyway to Cold Steel. They have been making swords in Italy since 1965. I'd go with them in a heart beat as I am a current Del Tin owner of the 5157.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 5:50:03 GMT
Read the specs on the Del Tin. The two hander has a nut inside the pommel because it is too big to ship peened. Del Tin is vastly superior in everyway to Cold Steel. They have been making swords in Italy since 1965. I'd go with them in a heart beat as I am a current Del Tin owner of the 5157. I agree in this particular case wholeheartedly; the CS Greatsword is a ridiculously overheavy POS! BUT ... don't be too sweeping with the generalization. While I've loved a lot of Del Tins, all very good, none ever bad, when CS does hit a home run--their Shamshir for instance, and in my case a solid Grosse Messer--I've never handled a Del Tin that really quite compares.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 8:20:51 GMT
Del tin all the way. I mean if you can afford it, there is no reason to go with cold steel over the del tin.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 10:19:44 GMT
Great to see so much support for Del Tin, I was kinda leaning towards it myself. So you guys don't think the construction of tang/pommel will be a big issue at all?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 13:31:05 GMT
Great to see so much support for Del Tin, I was kinda leaning towards it myself. So you guys don't think the construction of tang/pommel will be a big issue at all? I have a few swords with screw-on pommels or threaded nuts, and have never had a problem. They can loosen up over time, but a quick check now and then and a tightening if necessary is all it takes. I wouldn't be concerned about the safety of it. I've never heard of Cold steel swords flying apart either, just being over weight and poorly balanced. To be fair, I understand Del Tin doesn't incorporate a lot of distal taper into his swords and some of them can be kind of tip heavy. You will never hear a QA complaint against Del tin though.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 18:45:27 GMT
I have heard of many cases on SBG of people having problems with both the Cold Steel Great sword and bastard where it failed at the pommel, and the threaded portion of tang snapped. You can research it here. Now Cold Steel katanas are good I hear and their knives are excellent. But their swords have poor hilt construction. The threaded portions of their tangs are notorious for breaking.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 25, 2009 10:32:44 GMT
Thanks for the response guys, its clear now the Del Tin greatsword is superior, appreciate the help!
|
|
|
Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 25, 2009 14:06:01 GMT
Yup Deltin is the go out of these two. And dont worry about recessed nut construction. It has many advantages, and should be equally as durable if done right as a hot peen would be if done right.I look forward to the reviews
|
|
kurokaze
Member
Fur Ehre und Pflicht bis Herz und Klinge Bricht
Posts: 89
|
Post by kurokaze on Jun 15, 2009 8:24:50 GMT
I agree in this particular case wholeheartedly; the CS Greatsword is a ridiculously overheavy POS! I noticed at Kult of Athena they listed the overall weight of the CS Great Sword as 6 lb 6 oz, but the DT5168 as being 8 lb 10.2 oz overall. Forgive my lack of experience with these kind of swords, but is it the overall weight that makes the Cold Steel one so heavy, or is it how it is distributed on the sword? The second one would make a lot of sense since I'm sure Del Tins are made to a more exacting standard, and they don't include any information about the point of balance on the Cold Steel one.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2009 20:50:41 GMT
kurokaze, a lot of what you feel in the hand has to do with how well that sword is balanced, how effectively does it make use of profile and distal taper, blade thickness, etc- Cold Steel makes durable swords, but are they historically accurate in terms of weight, pob, cop or any of the other little unmentionables that actually matter? A lot of that has to do with your own personal taste in swords; of the two, my choice would be the Del Tin, that company has a better track record and has been around a good deal longer (at least in swords) and still has exacting standards.
Remember...you get what you pay for, more often than not.
|
|
kurokaze
Member
Fur Ehre und Pflicht bis Herz und Klinge Bricht
Posts: 89
|
Post by kurokaze on Jun 16, 2009 3:27:43 GMT
I see. So the problem with the Cold Steel sword is not so much that it is heavy; rather it is historically inaccurate in handling.I must say that doesn't surprise me too much since KoA doesn't list the point of balance or center of percussion for this sword, whereas they do for the Del Tin. Thanks for the information, Ebon Paladin.I don't know too much about these kinds of swords, so it's very much appreciated.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2009 15:19:36 GMT
Always welcome, man.
|
|
|
Post by cerberus on Jun 21, 2009 5:54:11 GMT
I have to agree with every one else. i own several Del Tin blades and i have never had a failure of the blade or tang ( although the guards do tend to rattle slightly over time, they make the tang slot a little too big). If you can afford it definetly go with the Del Tin you will not be sorry
|
|