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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 19:52:24 GMT
Anyone seen this? This is a very interesting looking sword to me. Very appealing, although I don't think I would like it protruding from the scabbard as it appears would be the case from the picture. www.museumreplicas.com/p-224-flared-long-sword.aspxMy main reason for this thread however is the interesting text in the description of the blade. "The simple hilt form allows for a varied amount of grips and is even portrayed in a strike while gripping the blade (a maneuver that seems odd at best)." Now having seen Reclaiming the Blade documentary recently it seems to me that the blade grip they're talking about was a common maneuver. So it is interesting to me that a site like MRL that seems to be geared toward historical reproductions would have a statement (that the sword grip is odd) like that in their description of a historical sword reproduction.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 21:16:12 GMT
For more infos on that model, I believe there is a review of it in the review section , check the review index!
And Windlass are often at a loss with historically correct infos...for example, the once named "Type IV" (sic) sword...lol...
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Post by brotherbanzai on May 24, 2009 22:34:45 GMT
the Mordschlag (murder strike) in the German tradition. It's usually done out of a half-sword maneuver. That sword type is featured extensively in the Meyer fechtbuch. Museum Replicas makes nice low end swords but I wouldn't really expect them to be knowledgeable in great detail on all the different weapon types they carry. Using that sword grip is not unheard of, but I don't think it would be the first thing in your arsenal either.
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Post by shadowhowler on May 24, 2009 23:31:32 GMT
For more infos on that model, I believe there is a review of it in the review section , check the review index! The Flared Long Sword has not been reviewed here... unless someone did it under antoher name. I found that sword VERY interested from an appearance perspective... I checked it out last time I was at MRL, because if it was even somewhat cool I wanted it, becuase it was sointeresting looking. Sadly, like many long windlass blades, it was a limp noddle. I did not like how droopy it was.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on May 24, 2009 23:52:40 GMT
You know, I hate to be the downer here... but what is the attraction to this ? Its not unique, or different , IMHO... it is strange that Windlass even markets it as they do. The tip is too sharp for it to serve its real function, though the flexability seems right. Whether the "scholars" at Windlass realize it or not, this is a replica of a training sword... not a sword.... at least that is my opinion. AFAIK there was never a live sword like these... only training swords.... Heres another example... from a company that knows it is replicating a training sword... www.armor.com/sword187.html
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2009 0:53:24 GMT
I'll agree that this is not a historical representation of an actual sword. The lugs (flanges) were there to protect the hands of the trainee, but did not appear on actual swords designed for combat. It might work to grind down the tip and mill the bevel down to a 2mm WMA edge to use for WMA stuff while keeping the look of higher priced training swords of this type (like the Albion Meyer).
At the price, this might be a good investment to regrip/hilt for a pretty nice looking fantasy sword though. ;D
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Post by shadowhowler on May 25, 2009 1:43:04 GMT
Hmph. I just thought it looked cool... but it was too limp.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on May 25, 2009 1:55:45 GMT
Hmph. I just thought it looked cool... This from a guy that said the ancient & revered Kogarasu Maru looked like a "horrid anime sword" LOL ;D
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Post by shadowhowler on May 25, 2009 2:09:44 GMT
Hmph. I just thought it looked cool... This from a guy that said the ancient & revered Kogarasu Maru looked like a "horrid anime sword" LOL ;D Heh! Well, I never claimed to be a historical expert when it comes to swords... in fact, I think I have stated publicly MANY times that 'Historical Accuracy' is a complete non-issue for me in my sword collecting. I buy what I like... what I think looks cool, handles and cuts well, and what I think is durable and will hold up over time. I could give a rats ass as to if it was ever actually manufactured or used 'back in the day'. So yeah, when I first saw a Kogarasu Maru, I thought it was some kinda awefull anime katana. Sue me.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2009 2:10:25 GMT
(Pssst... Shadowhowler, I sent you a PM)
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on May 25, 2009 2:21:18 GMT
Heh! Well, I never claimed to be a historical expert when it comes to swords... in fact, I think I have stated publicly MANY times that 'Historical Accuracy' is a complete non-issue for me in my sword collecting. I buy what I like... what I think looks cool, handles and cuts well, and what I think is durable and will hold up over time. I could give a rats ass as to if it was ever actually manufactured or used 'back in the day'. So yeah, when I first saw a Kogarasu Maru, I thought it was some kinda awefull anime katana. LOL... touchy. Sorry Mamn , I didn't mean to step on your purse strap... Kidding man.... ;D I also am not big on histrocity ... I guess that the training sword just doesn't do it for me.... Hmmm , maybe... you have amassed some swords I'd like lately... Anyone know a good lawyer? One that will work for swords?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2009 6:39:31 GMT
I actually held one of these some years back...and the term limp noodle definitely comes to mind on the sword I held. Not sure if it has been fixed since then...but I doubt it as windlass doesn´t really do that. As for the flares...yes actual combat swords did not have those unless you go into a different type of swords altogether. It is a pretty historically inaccurate piece...and unlike shadow, I DO care (which is why kogarasu is my favorite katana geometry )...which is why I don´t care for how this sword looks hehe . But hey personal taste is personal taste hehe.
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Post by shadowhowler on May 25, 2009 7:09:29 GMT
I actually held one of these some years back...and the term limp noodle definitely comes to mind on the sword I held. Not sure if it has been fixed since then...but I doubt it as windlass doesn´t really do that. Defenitly NOT fixed... I looked one over at MRL a little over a month ago, when they had there big sale... it's still a huge limp noodle.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2009 17:16:45 GMT
For more infos on that model, I believe there is a review of it in the review section , check the review index! The Flared Long Sword has not been reviewed here... unless someone did it under antoher name. I found that sword VERY interested from an appearance perspective... I checked it out last time I was at MRL, because if it was even somewhat cool I wanted it, becuase it was sointeresting looking. Sadly, like many long windlass blades, it was a limp noddle. I did not like how droopy it was. It doesn't appear in the index, but it has been done by a member named Darkhorse, look with the search function: "Windlass flared longsword", I found it there.
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Post by alvin on May 25, 2009 17:35:08 GMT
It doesn't appear in the index, but it has been done by a member named Darkhorse, look with the search function: "Windlass flared longsword", I found it there. /index.cgi?action=display&board=swordreviews&thread=2171&page=1
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Post by shadowhowler on May 25, 2009 18:49:41 GMT
It doesn't appear in the index, but it has been done by a member named Darkhorse, look with the search function: "Windlass flared longsword", I found it there. Wow... I even had the last post in that thread... I wonder why it's not on the index? I feel like an extra-moron now...
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Post by hotspur on May 25, 2009 19:05:13 GMT
While a bit ancillary to the original context of this thread, there is this old thread (but not the one I'm really looking for). Although perhaps not debated in full, there has been some past mention of the Windlass offering and Oakeshott's drawing. I don't own that volume of Oakeshott, or would offer more from the text. The inspiration for the Windlass sword? Hard to single out that one producer as less than credible when there are so many that do a good deal worse. www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=2218 www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=6953 www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=7943Cheers Hotspur; As to ad copy in general; Where to really start?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2009 4:48:20 GMT
If you read the caption in Oakeshott´s book, it says sword of a type so far indefinable. Yes there are unique swords historically...and unless the windlass sword is suppose to be a replica of the figure 45 sword, I consider it historically inaccurate.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2009 0:28:12 GMT
As other folks have noticed, this is indeed Museum Replica's version of a training sword, particularly those featured in Joachim Meyer's fechtbuch, 1570 and 1600 editions. As a training school sword, a flexible blade is a good thing. Unfortunately, Museum Replicas completely missed the boat by making this a sharp/sharpenable sword, not a blunted/rounded training edged sword. A&A and Gen2 and Hanwei all make blunt training-intended versions of the Meyer longsword.
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