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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 7:46:07 GMT
I'm suprised nobody linked to this 'till now-
Actually Ninjas probably DID strap their swords to their backs, for 2 main reasons- 1- They had to run. a LOT. I'm not going to suggest they really did jump from roof to roof etc. but they, appearently, did run. 2- A sword was a ninja's last resort, they had an array of weapons to use before being forced to draw their swords (which they didn't draw from their backs.)
It's a pain to run with a sword in your hip, it'll slow you down and consume a hand (to hold it) while at it.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 8:00:47 GMT
It isn't hard to run with a sword on your hip as long as you control the sheath. Second, ninja carrying swords on their back is a stupid idea, do you know how hard it is to do a should roll or a backwards roll or any kind of roll with a sword mounted on your back? Also back sheaths are restrictive which is not good for a ninja looking for flexibility.
Back sheaths are a stupid idea propagated by stupid people who prefer so called "coolness factor" over practical application.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 10:23:03 GMT
I don't know. It's stupid if you take it on the practical side, but for transportation- it's not that stupid (either way, i don't find it "cool") Doing some wacky acrobatics with a sword anyhwere would be hard, it's restrictive wherever you mount it. Running with it- It's going to hit your legs, unless you hold it with one hand. Some texts from the edo period support this idea, but some dismiss it. I should've written that before, and state that those are my opinions- my last post looks like i'm trying to set a fact (which i'm not, obviously there's no way to know for sure)
We might get a better answer if more about the ninjas' job's nature is revelaed sometime, and yet, i wouldn't dismiss the idea so fast. It has it's (even if only a few) merits.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 10:37:42 GMT
I have been studying ninjitsu for a long time and if you are hitting your legs when you run with your sword you are doing something wrong, there are ways to adjust the sword so it doesn't bang or cause issues. Also it is much easier to perform rolls and "whacky" acrobatics with the sword on the hip because it is easy to move it around and hold it in the best position.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 10:42:09 GMT
Well, not going to argue with someone who clearly knows better... I'll be going back to searching for more sources, i guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 13:44:51 GMT
I also hear that in some traditional Japanese texts it advises warriors to carry their swords on their back while climbing walls for a siege. Obviously it is not an ideal position to draw from, but that is not the point. I didn't think about a siege, but I was thinking it would be kinda cool tramping around the mountains . I used to keep a set of throwing knives at the collar of my jacket, easier to get than a sword I admit. Any way after watching, I think it was called, Romancing the Stone where the guy had a sling for his shoot gun on his back I just think it's cool for everything ;D .....er....um..... I might be a nerd..... Rifle slings ftw I'm getting for my Winchester; you can find it in ACC's catalog. As for the OP, if you go on eBay, you'll find there are a few listings for baldrics that allow you to carry a sword and draw from the back. I've seen, in the pics, the katana is used to show how the baldric works- a loop at the scabbard throat and another close to the tip and it of course wraps around your chest from the front but just the loops hold it in back. I think they can be had for ~$20 give or take a few bucks.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 18:34:44 GMT
Sorry I just realised how rough I sounded in my response, it was not my intention. One way that I was taught to wear a katana whilst running or climbing was to have it horizontally placed through the obi with the sageo tied around the handle in a drop knot (you yank on it and it comes undone) but you have it placed such that you can quickly and easily move it to a position to draw it or conversely depending on whether it is a katana or a wakizashi, draw it from the diagonal position which is not an easy feat to do smoothly.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 19:08:38 GMT
It took you 10 1/2 hours to realize that? Oh, I am sure it was your intent, BW- no one goes on about how stupid something is unless they're looking to elicit a certain response. As stupid as it seems to you, there's a market for it and I am quite sure that all of those people would take issue with you calling them stupid, myself included.
I include myself because I'm getting that Blade rig that goes with my Daywalker sword and I assure you, I am far from stupid. Have a nice day.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 21:09:53 GMT
Anyone who says that back sheaths are only for idiots and hollywood is a sempriniing moron. The reality is, they are for transport only, not for going into combat with. You cant draw from your back without exposing yourself, and you cant roll very well with a sword strapped to your back, but that isnt the point. You can run with it on your hip, but its not as comfortable or easy, especially for hill climbing.
Carrying it on your back is for transport ONLY. Its more comfortable for running and climbing than having it on your hip. It has nothing to do with trying to look cool and it has nothing to do with hollywood. It is used for long distance transport for the sake of comfort only. You dont want to try a quick draw from your back. You dont want to roll with it on your back. When you draw it you want to remove the whole sheath from your back first and draw it in front of you.
Since I am not worried about ninjas or samurai attacking me with swords at close distance while I am walking through the forest, I dont mind sacrificing draw speed for comfort while traveling.
Get it?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 21:30:00 GMT
Ebon Paladin- Whoa, dude, relax. No need to ram someone over a bad choice of wors, especially if he already apologized. Let's keep it nice and friendly, no one is trying to call anyone "stupid" or something like that, it's just a clash of opinions. And anyway, personally, i wouldn't want to strap a curved blade to my back, it feels awkward (tried it with my katana after) That's why i gave the ninja example- The ninjato are rumored to have been straight. For curved blades, i think i'd rather strap it to my equipment (after all, i'm on a journy or something, i do have some kind of pack, right?)
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on May 11, 2009 23:11:36 GMT
Ebon Paladin- Whoa, dude, relax. No need to ram someone over a bad choice of wors, especially if he already apologized. Let's keep it nice and friendly, no one is trying to call anyone "stupid" or something like that, it's just a clash of opinions. And anyway, personally, i wouldn't want to strap a curved blade to my back, it feels awkward (tried it with my katana after) That's why i gave the ninja example- The ninjato are rumored to have been straight. For curved blades, i think i'd rather strap it to my equipment (after all, i'm on a journy or something, i do have some kind of pack, right?) Agreed. I consider both BW and T.E.P. to be friends of mine, and I don't think either of them did something 'wrong', per se. IMO, BW hurriedly typed something without thinking about how it might sound (as in, no offense was intended by him), and Ebon overreacted. No big deal, right guys? As for the back sheath, I very much like the idea, but I haven't found a way to make it work. No matter how I wear a sword on my back, it feels awkward and uncomfortable... I think I just need a better baldric/harness-thingie, though. Besides, I've only tried this with 38"-48" swords, if I had a 30" weapon, now that would be different. After all, I'm only 5'7" (I'm 14). -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 1:45:55 GMT
Ok, WTF? Y'all quit the semprinifest.
Here's what we've ascertained so far:
1: The combat effectiveness, and thus historical accuracy, of a sword worn on the back is semprinis, with the exception of traveling. Longer swords were indeed worn on the back, though they were drawn/sheathed with the aid of an assistant (so I would count this as travel, as the sword would be unsheathed prior to a battle) .
2: The OP understands this, and agrees fully. His purpose is to transport his sword on his motorcycle.
3: Oreos are the best cookie ever invented. If you disagree, I'll sit on your head.
4: The viability of the Daywalker sword is moot, since it's derived from a WORK OF FANTASY. It no longer needs to be discussed in the context of this thread.
Now that I have a better understanding of the problem, here's my suggestion:
Put the sword in its swordbag, assuming it has one (if not, wrap it up in a sheet or something). Doesn't matter what country you're in, it's generally a bad idea to ride around, blatantly advertising your sword. Plus, I certainly wouldn't appreciate kicked up gravel and bugs finding their way into the Tsukamaki during my ride. Get creative with some rope or paracord. Tie a sling at two ends of the Saya, over the swordbag. Make sure it's snug, and sling it across your back.
My other suggestion would be to rig a mounting system, which would hold the sword tight and parallel to the front suspension, to one side of the wheel. This would keep the sword in minimal profile, as well as in a more sturdy position. If anyone is familiar with the Harley Davidson military enduro, it has a rifle case in this position.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 2:12:49 GMT
Best way I can figure for carrying a katana on your back is this. If you want to transport it on your motorcycle, this is the most sensible route. If you are after anything other than a sensible way to transport a katana on your back I cannot help you. www.swordsofmight.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=373
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Post by hotspur on May 12, 2009 4:32:30 GMT
Rifle scabbards (specifically) on motorcycles and atv veichles for more than 100yrs. A similar but less obvious solution such as a piece of pvc with a screw cap might work out for one interested. these are mounted to the vehicle, not carried on the person. I have transported rifles just slung from the top frame member on bicycles, works out just fine. There are a variety of scabbards available. Some sword scabbards were later (and even some quite early) suspended from the horses scabbard in a variety of fixtures and orientation.
Cheers
Hotspur; we see more than a few guitar gig bags for back carry as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 4:45:43 GMT
Sword bag plus a rifle sling with extra leather thong to secure it at points, yeah easy and fairly inexpensive (I would think that would look a little cool).
Oh about the wandering in woods thing with a sword, yeah just dont go cutting yourself ....... just friendly advice
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 10:09:50 GMT
I am looking for some soft leather or synthetic material sheaths that I could wear on my back instead of carry on my belt. Where could I find something like this for a Katana that already has a wooden sheath meant to be worn on your side? www.globalgear.com.au/prod2738.htmBring out the gimp. The gimp's sleepin'. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 23:09:33 GMT
Best way I can figure for carrying a katana on your back is this. If you want to transport it on your motorcycle, this is the most sensible route. If you are after anything other than a sensible way to transport a katana on your back I cannot help you. www.swordsofmight.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=373Thank you. This is exactly what I am looking for, and even better, it hides it. And I dont really think anyone is a moron, I just felt like I had to repeat myself one too many times. This is for motor transport and hiking. I really like that this carrying case conceals it entirely.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 23:35:49 GMT
Tell us what you really think. Well I'm not on the forum 24 hrs a day, there is this thing called sleep that i do, far less regularly than I should. I wasn't trying to illicit any reaction, accusations are unbecoming, I typed it before sleeping which in hindsight (which is 20/20) was not the best idea. I find it rather amusing when people take offense to themselves over things that were not directed at them. I didn't call you stupid, I don't actually think that I specified who I thought was stupid. Have fun with your blade sword and your back sheath and I will have a nice day thank you. Oreo are awesome
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 23:50:22 GMT
I dont think anyone here is dumb, I just felt that once I explained that I was not going to be drawiing th sword from my back and just wanted something like the carrying case above for transport for taking with me on long hikes that we could have moved on already. I realize now that what I was looking for is a carrying case/bag as shown above.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 0:11:06 GMT
None of your comments really give us the idea that you just want to carry it without needing to access it quickly. You are specifically talking about carrying it in such a way that you can "easily" access it or draw it. If you just want to transport it get a leather sword bag, then you can carry it on your back to your hearts content. If you want to carry a blade in post apocalytic america or whilst out camping get yourself a bolo or a machete, most of them come with their own carry case and you are far less likely to get funny looks whilst walking or hiking if you are carrying a machete or even a khukuri. Why would you specifically want to carry a a katana? You are better off with a tool with multiple uses than a sword that is specifically designed to kill people.
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